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[Shaggy]

Really enjoyed this. From the bigot of a few years ago, I have to say he's won me over in a big way. A likeable bloke.

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[Doc_Piptorious]

Really enjoyed this. From the bigot of a few years ago, I have to say he's won me over in a big way. A likeable bloke.

Tyson Fury shares all on Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder & more to Gary Neville | The Overlap - YouTube

Every few year he does one of those redemption type interviews. I'm just a regular bloke who said stuff I regret and a lot of what I say is for the cameras blah blah blah.


Then the mask slips and the sexist, homophobic nasty comments come out again and a few years later another I'm a regular bloke interview comes out.


Man has shown too many times how backwards and ignorant some of his views are to now think he is anything but.


Even a bigot can pretend to be decent for a short span of time.



Plus that self appointed paragon of all that is right Neville is there so that is another strike.

[Zapater]

Every few year he does one of those redemption type interviews. I'm just a regular bloke who said stuff I regret and a lot of what I say is for the cameras blah blah blah.


Then the mask slips and the sexist, homophobic nasty comments come out again and a few years later another I'm a regular bloke interview comes out.


Man has shown too many times how backwards and ignorant some of his views are to now think he is anything but.


Even a bigot can pretend to be decent for a short span of time.



Plus that self appointed paragon of all that is right Neville is there so that is another strike.

Absolute cunt. He beats Wilder and suddenly everyone thinks he's a good guy. Hermann Göring gave some pretty good sound bites, guess I'd have him round for a few pints.

I'm a bit disappointed with Neville for this one. Thought he was quite brave to stand up to Sky on the racism thing a few years back after that Chelsea game. If he's doing an interview out of his field and pretending to be a journalist a quick "you've said some controversial things in the past, do you cringe looking back at that?" or something like that. Fury gets a free pass.

Also there is no evidence that he is a "former bigot" and changed his views. He just hasn't spoken on the subject. Pretty sure you put a bible in his hand, get him going and the bull**** will start flowing freely.

Also his hypocrisy about "smashing them all to bits". You've fought Wlad in his worst night in 20 years, Wilder, Chisora and Cunningham. That's it. Plus that Wallin fight only had a couple of rounds in it. So he's beat 4 fighters and 20 odd taxi drivers, now he's amazing. It's a **** division but there are harder fights than he's had out there. Fair play, he was due to fight Haye twice and those fights didn't happen. I'm positive Haye would've won them if not for the injuries. I'm not saying that the division is good because it's pure **** but over the last 10 years there have been better than Pianeta, Kevin Johnson and Tom ****ing Schwarz FFS.

Seeing this is the boxing thread - see Caleb Plant is next in with Canelo. Any bets on how much Canelo "hydrates" to? Probably weighs in on the button and comes in a cruiserweight on the night. Yawn the current crop (promoters and fighters) make it so hard to watch these days. So little to look forward to. Crawford vs Porter is possibly the only fight I'm keen to see this year.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Absolute cunt. He beats Wilder and suddenly everyone thinks he's a good guy. Hermann Göring gave some pretty good sound bites, guess I'd have him round for a few pints.

I'm a bit disappointed with Neville for this one. Thought he was quite brave to stand up to Sky on the racism thing a few years back after that Chelsea game. If he's doing an interview out of his field and pretending to be a journalist a quick "you've said some controversial things in the past, do you cringe looking back at that?" or something like that. Fury gets a free pass.

Also there is no evidence that he is a "former bigot" and changed his views. He just hasn't spoken on the subject. Pretty sure you put a bible in his hand, get him going and the bull**** will start flowing freely.

Also his hypocrisy about "smashing them all to bits". You've fought Wlad in his worst night in 20 years, Wilder, Chisora and Cunningham. That's it. Plus that Wallin fight only had a couple of rounds in it. So he's beat 4 fighters and 20 odd taxi drivers, now he's amazing. It's a **** division but there are harder fights than he's had out there. Fair play, he was due to fight Haye twice and those fights didn't happen. I'm positive Haye would've won them if not for the injuries. I'm not saying that the division is good because it's pure **** but over the last 10 years there have been better than Pianeta, Kevin Johnson and Tom ****ing Schwarz FFS.

Seeing this is the boxing thread - see Caleb Plant is next in with Canelo. Any bets on how much Canelo "hydrates" to? Probably weighs in on the button and comes in a cruiserweight on the night. Yawn the current crop (promoters and fighters) make it so hard to watch these days. So little to look forward to. Crawford vs Porter is possibly the only fight I'm keen to see this year.

Nothing at all I can disagree with in all of that post right down to only having one to be somewhat keen to watch this year.

Fury is just a joke. A nasty racist homophbic joke and the Heavyweight division is dead in my eyes. Used to love the heavyweight and middleweight divisions above all others at one point in my life. Now the big boys are nothing more than being a divisions full of plodders with the best of the crop being nothing more than the level of record padders from yesteryear.

Said it years ago on here to the mirth of some that I saw Joshua as being a big Bruce Seldon and I still see him as being on that level. It is just that the rest of the division if for the most part far far worse than a Bruce Seldon level fighter.

Fury is just a big awkward lump who does have the ability to do a lot of the basics well, but like Joshua he stands out thanks to how much worse than him most of the rest of the divison is. Not sure I would include Cunningham as a decent name to have on his record either. Cunningham had lost five time before facing Fury and Fury was 12 years younger than him. Cunningham was a pretty average cruiserweight who had only just moved up to heavy for the money.

What is just as depressing is if you look at the next generation coming through. It somehow looks full of even less talented fighters with a few who will become "names" thanks to promoters with good media connections and a diet of East European plumbers.

Then I look at the middleweights. Govolkin is well past his best. Canelo has talent but will never get into a ring if there is a chance of a 50/50 fight. Andrade I do like to watch at times from a technical pov. Then it becomes a mish mash of hype jobs or fighters who are nice to watch but who have pretty low ceilings.


And as for Canelo's weight against Plant. My guess is he will on the night of the fight be around the 180 to 185lbs mark and at the weigh in will be 167.75 lbs. He often looks a very solid stone over the weight limit come fight night.

In a fair fight he is a better fighter than Plant and more than durable enough to take the best a relatively light hitter like Plant could dish out. But Canelo will want his 10+ lbs advantage along with any other advantages he may garner or ingest. Wonder how brightly his piss glows in the dark. Must make for easy night time trips to the loo as he does not have to fumble around for a light switch.


Damn you Zap for getting my dander up over the sport

[Doc_Piptorious]

I am so up for the fight Saturday night.

Should be a cracker.


Ahh who am I kidding.


Joshua should stop Usyk and if he does not, well am sure the hype folk will try to make out that Usyk, two heavyweight fight Usyk, is a world class heavyweight.

Usyk was a tidy cruiserweight but beating a tomato can in Chazz Witherspoon and being fitter than Chisora is not much of a heavyweight career. Yet somehow that record sees him highly ranked by a few organisations.

[Angryred]

I am so up for the fight Saturday night.

Should be a cracker.


Ahh who am I kidding.


Joshua should stop Usyk and if he does not, well am sure the hype folk will try to make out that Usyk, two heavyweight fight Usyk, is a world class heavyweight.

Usyk was a tidy cruiserweight but beating a tomato can in Chazz Witherspoon and being fitter than Chisora is not much of a heavyweight career. Yet somehow that record sees him highly ranked by a few organisations.

Smacks of desperation as **** all left in that heavyweight division, peak time for that division was back in the 70s to 90s

[spud_gun]

Jaco,

Why bother posting in boxing? Any time you post you're generally taking a **** on the sport.

Is your contention that great cruisers can't transition to good heavyweights?

We had one of the best fights in years (the undisputed light welterweight fight) earlier in the year and there was hardly peep from either yourself or your fellow doom merchant Zapater about it.

[Buzzo]

I know **** all about the technicalities of Boxing

But I really like AJ as a sportsman. The chat this week seems to be that the fella he is fighting will be a genuine challenge. One he should win, but a challenge noetheless.

I watched the last Joshua fight the other night for the first time, and was struck by the fact that he seems to have worked on his weaknesses and he delivered a really smart performance. Didnt leave himself open to being knocked down and gradually found away to take down his opponent, who was outclassed.

I am looking forward to the fight also. Hope AJ wins, and would love to see him take down Fury.

*I also like and follow Josh taylor obvs

[Buzzo]

Jaco,

Why bother posting in boxing? Any time you post you're generally taking a **** on the sport.

Is your contention that great cruisers can't transition to good heavyweights?

We had one of the best fights in years (the undisputed light welterweight fight) earlier in the year and there was hardly peep from either yourself or your fellow doom merchant Zapater about it.

[spud_gun]

Jaco's posts in the boxing section are akin to Dan Perkins posts in the Liverpool forum

[Zapater]

Usyk is a great fighter, but he may be a bit small for this. Who knows, hard to tell. I can see it going either way in all honesty. If they fought on several occasions they could have different types of fights and results. He doesn't have much heavyweight history, but it does seem he can be pushed around a bit as he's so light. Could be completely wrong but back Usyk to take it with his slick movement and clever punching.

Joshua doesn't have much experience against southpaws either. Correct me if I'm wrong but only one I can recall is Charles Martin and that didn't last very long.

[Buzzo]

Jaco's posts in the boxing section are akin to Dan Perkins posts in the Liverpool forum

Doubling down.



Whats your take? I reckon AJ bashing is pretty in vogue, that he has become champ by taking the easy route and that he isnt all that.

He is clearly building to a couple of major fights that will be career defining. Why would he rush into those. He also received a proper wake up call when he was knocked down by Ruiz, and has worked on some of his issues.

I basically just parrot what the comms said in the fight I watched the other night. But that seems to be a decent summary.

[Zapater]

Jaco's posts in the boxing section are akin to Dan Perkins posts in the Liverpool forum

Maybe more like Bob? Football ended when McMahon retired and I want to see players deliberately break other players legs. Almost verbatim to "Hagler was the last great fighter and even at 60 would knock out a prime Roy Jones or Jermaine Taylor".

[spud_gun]

Doubling down.



Whats your take? I reckon AJ bashing is pretty in vogue, that he has become champ by taking the easy route and that he isnt all that.

He is clearly building to a couple of major fights that will be career defining. Why would he rush into those. He also received a proper wake up call when he was knocked down by Ruiz, and has worked on some of his issues.

I basically just parrot what the comms said in the fight I watched the other night. But that seems to be a decent summary.

We'll know a lot more at the weigh in. If Joshua comes in a similar weight as he did for Ruiz 2 then he's going to try and box Uysk which is a mistake. I can't see Joshua out boxing Uysk over 12 rounds.

If he comes in heavy then he's going to try and blast Uysk out of there which is more than likely his best option.

As an aside the PPV is £25 on Sky . When did PPVs jump to £25?

[spud_gun]

Maybe more like Bob? Football ended when McMahon retired and I want to see players deliberately break other players legs. Almost verbatim to "Hagler was the last great fighter and even at 60 would knock out a prime Roy Jones or Jermaine Taylor".

There's that many doom merchants in the match day thread they all just blend into one