Boxing

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The US commentary was awful but that was a great watch.

Hard to see anyone in the heavyweight division beating Fury

Managed to find a copy of the fight with American comms.

I quite enjoyed Lennox 'ohhhhs' and 'ahhhhhs' every time a punch landed.

You're right. What a ****ing fight. Tyson 'Big Manned' Wilder to ****. Glorious stuff

[RichC]

Amazing fight, **** knows what they think they were watching though!

I don't think that was close to being the best version of Fury either, I do think that's everything Wilder has though.

Impressed by the power that Fury seems to have developed and his ability to get up from a knock down and switch back on is so impressive.

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How long after the fight is it before they show a replay on Sky? I've not seen it yet, just read the reports.

[RichC]

It’ll be BT sport but maybe this weekend.

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Explained why I couldn't find it then, i was searching ahead on Sky...thanks Rich, it was on BT this evening, so I've got it recorded.

[labourRed]

I watched the second fight last night. I don't think I saw it before.

Amazing how skinny Wilder's legs are - same width as the the ring ropes basically. Almost sure I squat more than he does.

[Pablo]

Finally watched Wilder v Fury III. Amazing fight, absolutely no holding back from either of them. Fury was sensational and never seemed to tire. My god he can take a punch too. Wilder looked gassed halfway through but he showed great heart to continue.

I'd like to see Wilder face Joshua. I think Wilder would knock him out but it would be an interesting one.

Can't see anyone challenging Fury before he retires, he's too good.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Finally watched Wilder v Fury III. Amazing fight, absolutely no holding back from either of them. Fury was sensational and never seemed to tire. My god he can take a punch too. Wilder looked gassed halfway through but he showed great heart to continue.

I'd like to see Wilder face Joshua. I think Wilder would knock him out but it would be an interesting one.


Can't see anyone challenging Fury before he retires, he's too good.

Wilder is a one trick pony and that one trick might not be coming back as his right hand is injured and in need of surgery.

I am struggling to think of a worse heavyweight (in terms of boxing ability, use of the basics and so on) that has gotten as much hype as him.

His record is totally padded with bums. The best fighter he fought is Fury and he was stopped twice by Fury. The next closest thing to a good fighter on his record is an over the hill Ortiz.

Thought he was awful against Fury. Never seen a fighter that gets called "top level" try to follow another fighter around the ring with a left arm just suck out and the right arm just cocked for four, or five seconds at a time and throwing nothing. Looked like a guy who just stepped into the ring off of the street.

All he has, or maybe had, is a big right punch. And as shown that is not worth a **** if it does not put the other guy to sleep because he has literally nothing else in the locker.

A few here and on other sites have commented on his legs. That just screams of a fighter that does not put the work in. Have a feeling he does **** all roadwork, that he will do a lot of upper body work both in the gym and in sparring and that his sparring consists of him hitting people and never lerning how to work angles or how to handle others working angles against him. He sure as hell never learned how to jab properly, how to hold a guard in an effective, how to use foot work to get into the dominant position etc etc. His ring awareness is just so so bad as well. He spent half the fight looking like he was trying to find a way to let Fury's right hand connect with his face. A more composed Fury would, and maybe still should imo, have taken Wilder out earlier.

For my money Joshua beats Wilder and beats him within six or seven rounds, that is not any great endorsement of Joshua, just is me saying Wilder is dog**** and would be picked off by Joshua's robotic style.


Would also fancy an inshape Whyte to spark Wilder. That would be the one that would be a fun fight to watch though.

As for there being no challenges for Fury, there may be a lot of truth to that as the division is almost devoid of proper talent, however I think Usyk would beat Fury maybe once if they had a trilogy like Fury had with Wilder.

My gut tells me that Fury should beat Usyk in a once off fight but not the Fury that fought Wilder. That version of Fury gets picked apart by a fighter with Uysk's skillset, but then again Fury would almost certainly not fight that way against Uysk. Not a chance he is that loose and careless against Usyk. He did not fear nor respect Wilder so was loose against him, not a chance he would have that mindset against Usyk especially if Usyk is still a belt holder come Autumn 2022.

Fury/Usyk is a 60/40 or maybe a 55/45 fight at a push for me right now. Might get closer to being a 50/50 if Usyk beats Joshua again and gets more rounds at heavyweight under his belt in the process.

Think the rest of the division is lucky that Usyk does not have the power and size of someone like Vitali (the far more dangerous of the brothers) to go with his obvious skills.

My gut also is saying that if Usyk beats Joshua next year and Fury is available that Fury will swerve him. Usyk may be too much of a wildcard to take a risk against. Also have a feeling that Fury may drop one or all of his belts other than the Ring belt. Whyte (assuming he wins his upcoming fight) versus Fury would be interesting (still would strongly favour Fury to win that though, and by a very clear points margin) but think it will not happen and Fury will ditch a belt rather than make the fight or pull out with an "illness" at the last minute.

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Thanks Jaco, Always interested to read your opinions on Boxing, If he swerved Whyte like you think he may, Who would he fight?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Thanks Jaco, Always interested to read your opinions on Boxing, If he swerved Whyte like you think he may, Who would he fight?

Personally I would not be shocked to see some manufactured clamour leading to a "need" for a fourth fight with Wilder.

Maybe not for his next fight, but the one after that.


For his next fight (if he drops belts to avoid having to take any mandatories and he has form for this) I would not be surprised to see him go after a big lump like Zhang (has a Joshua link that could be played up upon in the media) or go back to trying to set up a fight with Kabayel. Could see guys like Takam in the mix if he want a local "name" that he should beat handily. Part of me wonders if he would try for Joe Joyce as I think he beats Joyce but could paint Joyce in the build up as some massive threat.

I suspect Kabayel will be one of the names highest on the list if he says no to taken on a mandatory challenger like Whyte (if Whyte beats Wallin and Wallin is nothing special or even on the level of being fairly decent) .

[Zapater]

Martin upsets Mikey Garcia. Mikey can't complain about that at all for me. Over the 10 rounds Martin boxed smart and did the smoother, cleaner work. It's hard to imagine that result beforehand, but it's fair. I thought they may have robbed him because in America, a lot of judges mistake coming forward as ring generalship in those hard to score rounds. Martin was quite slick and showed some handy head movement/counter punching. It'll be interesting to see if it's a one off or if he's actually a good fighter at this level. There'll probably be a rematch, if not Garcia should go back to lightweight. It was a bit strange because in some ways it looked more like an active sparring session than a pro fight. Maybe the stage was a bit small for Mikey to get going, but full credit to Martin either way, really well executed.

[Zapater]

I like to revisit old fights, it's just something I do to compare what I thought at the time vs now. It's hard to believe it was around 20 years ago, but Mosley vs De la Hoya 2 is an interesting one which I think about from time to time. It was a good fight, not incredibly memorable, but still a good one. The speed, footwork etc at the start and the heart at the end. I watched it for a second time around 10 years ago and again today.

I think Mosley would've stopped Oscar if it were a 15 round fight as his body work was slowing him down. In some ways, I don't think Oscar was ever the same after that, or more that it was the beginning of the end. Hopkins, Mayweather and Manny get the credit, but I think this took a lot out of Oscar. IIRC Mayweather Sr and Oscar had a massive cry of being robbed after the fight, I still can't see how they could think that. The first 8 rounds were close with Shane doing the slightly heavier work and beating Oscar to the punch slightly more often than not and then won the latter rounds. I think I enjoyed it today more than I did the previous times. The more boxing I watch though and think about, the more I feel I have no idea how to score a fight after seeing so many ****ed up cards.

On Mosley, I think he's somewhat underrated. Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright were ridiculous assignments for him size and style wise. It's easy to remember the slow, gun shy, old Mosley who lost a lot at the end of his career. He got old in the ring in the second half of the Mayweather fight and probably should have hung them up right there. I know the timing was wrong for them at lightweight, as Mayweather was younger/smaller then, but at lightweight I think would have been an awful fight for Floyd if he had to have moved up. The 98 lightweight Mosley would have been a nightmare for him.

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Mikey seems to have been enjoying his food a little too much.

You couldn't help but think the fix was in when the first judge scored it 95-95.

Welter or even the 145 catch weight is a bridge too far for Mikey. Can he no longer make 140?

[Zapater]

Mikey seems to have been enjoying his food a little too much.

You couldn't help but think the fix was in when the first judge scored it 95-95.

Welter or even the 145 catch weight is a bridge too far for Mikey. Can he no longer make 140?

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Old video, but he does indeed love his food. Maybe it's not that easy to get away with now that he's a little older. It was more a blip for me though, wasn't outboxed or beaten up. Just narrowly lost the rounds and didn't work hard enough. He didn't pay the price in the gym and lost. It was strange how relaxed he was about it too. After 40 fights maybe his spark wasn't quite lit. Still has plenty of mileage left and I think he'll be back strong sooner or later at whatever weight he chooses.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I like to revisit old fights, it's just something I do to compare what I thought at the time vs now. It's hard to believe it was around 20 years ago, but Mosley vs De la Hoya 2 is an interesting one which I think about from time to time. It was a good fight, not incredibly memorable, but still a good one. The speed, footwork etc at the start and the heart at the end. I watched it for a second time around 10 years ago and again today.

I think Mosley would've stopped Oscar if it were a 15 round fight as his body work was slowing him down. In some ways, I don't think Oscar was ever the same after that, or more that it was the beginning of the end. Hopkins, Mayweather and Manny get the credit, but I think this took a lot out of Oscar. IIRC Mayweather Sr and Oscar had a massive cry of being robbed after the fight, I still can't see how they could think that. The first 8 rounds were close with Shane doing the slightly heavier work and beating Oscar to the punch slightly more often than not and then won the latter rounds. I think I enjoyed it today more than I did the previous times. The more boxing I watch though and think about, the more I feel I have no idea how to score a fight after seeing so many ****ed up cards.

On Mosley, I think he's somewhat underrated. Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright were ridiculous assignments for him size and style wise. It's easy to remember the slow, gun shy, old Mosley who lost a lot at the end of his career. He got old in the ring in the second half of the Mayweather fight and probably should have hung them up right there. I know the timing was wrong for them at lightweight, as Mayweather was younger/smaller then, but at lightweight I think would have been an awful fight for Floyd if he had to have moved up. The 98 lightweight Mosley would have been a nightmare for him.

Cracking post. Enjoyed reading it and will have to give that fight a rewatch myself after reading the above.

From what I can recall of that fight I think it was one that reminded me of Hagler/Leonard for the very reason you eluded to in that the result may have been very different had the fight been a few rounds longer.

Cannot disagree with anything you say about Mosley. Think that is a very fair assessment of a guy whose best days seem to be overlooked an awful lot. Some fighters seem to have their legacy enhanced with the benefit of hidsight, but Mosley seems to have gone the other way as the latter stages of his career tend to be where the focus remains to this day.