Originally posted by fidget
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I was just trying to have that rarest of things in this thread and that is some actual chat and debate about boxing.
Which is why I expanded on Joyce just being someone I do not rate, to musing about how I thought he could show what he does or does not have and who might be a good tests of his actual level.
At present Joyce is, for me, a hype job to draw in mug punters who want to stand in the crowd, sing sweet Caroline, and repeat things they get spoonfed by "experts" on Sky about Joyce being the real deal, having amazing power and so on.
Now that is not Joyce's fault, however what Joyce and his team can control is the level of fighter he goes after if he is serious about becoming a more rounded fighter or of he wants to bypass the learning process and use hype to just get in with a top dog and be a heavy bag for a big pay day.
Either way at his age, Joyce needs to do one or the other really soon.
I see four fighters stopping him.
Fury - Stops Joyce with ease
Joshua - maybe with a few hairy early moments as Joshua creates a lot of his own problems in the ring.
Usyk - Pretty straight forward technical schooling by Usylk that results in a late stoppage.
Wilder - Yep I think this clown would stop Joyce simply because he has the one thing Joyce has none of and that is the ability to throw heavy shots with speed.
Then of the make up the number fighters
Parker - I actually think Parker might outpoint him, but Parker is the level he needs to beat to show he shoyld get a shot at a strap imo.
Sanchez - Rate Sanchez a level beow Parker and as such Joyce should be stopping him to move up to Parker. Sanchez is a light hitter, by heavweight standards anyway, but I think the skillset and style that Sanchez has would answer some questions, albeit at mid to low mid level, about Joyce.
Zhang - Another big lump like Joyce albeit a southpaw. Put them together to rule one out. Would favour Joyce so that let's you know my thought on Zhang.
Whyte - Think he has mentally checked out of the sport. A few years back I would have expected a motivated version of him to stop Joyce but think Whyte is done and against Fury he showed he does deserve a crack at a belt for a long time.
As for the rest, well we are in an era where guys like Wallin, Fury (Hughie), Bakole, Helenius, Ruiz Jr, Old Man Ortiz, Hrgovic and Hunter are in the top ten to top fifteen when it comes to ranking the "best" out there.
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