Gazza

[Elvoz]

I know plenty about mental illness. But unfortunately it's become the latest excuse.

Develop a drinking problem, beat their missus / kids, but it's all OK, they want to a clinic, slates clean.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions. Including getting treatment and sticking with it when they are mentally ill.

The first time it's not their fault, granted. You can even forgive a relapse or 2. But at the end of the day they make the decision on if they will stick with treatment or not, and if they choose not to then they are responsible for what follows. They can not choose if they are ill or not, but they can choose how they deal with it.

Even mental illness isn't a get out of jail free card to walk through life hurting everyone who cares about you and taking no responsibility.

at last

expect pelters now pal

[Elvoz]

This is the nub of the problem. As Shaggy mentioned earlier Gazza saw his friend killed in an RTA.

He has subsequently said that he feels responsible for the fatality yet he was only a kid at the time.

So he's had 30 something years of torment rightly or wrongly feeling that the accident was his fault. Maybe if his character trait was to say "**** it, nothing to do with me", he wouldn't be suffering now.

not so much a **** it nothing to do with me fella maybe a bit more of the what can i do to help me

[BFG]

not so much a **** it nothing to do with me fella maybe a bit more of the what can i do to help me

Hindsight and clear thinking are a wonderful thing eh.

[Elvoz]

Hindsight and clear thinking are a wonderful thing eh.

yeah i mean its not like he has ever been told or warned eh fella

[BFG]

yeah i mean its not like he has ever been told or warned eh fella

And that constitutes hindsight and clear thinking in your mind does it? If so you may well be seeing Gazza sooner rather than later.

We've all been told to do things in our life that would have benefited us and thought we knew better and in no way am I saying Gazza is a saint. What I will say though is that neither you nor I understand his frame of mind or the complex psychiatric issues that have plagued his life, therefore we have no right to judge him.

[Elvoz]

And that constitutes hindsight and clear thinking in your mind does it? If so you may well be seeing Gazza sooner rather than later.

We've all been told to do things in our life that would have benefited us and thought we knew better and in no way am I saying Gazza is a saint. What I will say though is that neither you nor I understand his frame of mind or the complex psychiatric issues that have plagued his life, therefore we have no right to judge him.

hard work you pal bit different to being told dont bite ya nails from ya ma but i expect deep down you realise that

you feel sorry for best pal or not just wondering like

[BFG]

hard work you pal bit different to being told dont bite ya nails from ya ma but i expect deep down you realise that

you feel sorry for best pal or not just wondering like

The ****ing irony.

Who may I ask is 'best pal?'

[Elvoz]

The ****ing irony.

Who may I ask is 'best pal?'

george best fella

sorry my poor english and grammar haunts me

[BFG]

george best fella

sorry my poor english and grammar haunts me

Just like Gazza I really am not in a position to comment (just like you).

I don't however feel scorn for someone that's had serious problems in their life whether they be addiction or psychiatric illness, no matter how lavish their lifestyle and self destructive they happen to be or are painted as being by the media.

[Elvoz]

Just like Gazza I really am not in a position to comment (just like you).

I don't however feel scorn for someone that's had serious problems in their life whether they be addiction or psychiatric illness, no matter how lavish their lifestyle and self destructive they happen to be or are painted as being by the media.

i can comment on what i like fella freedom of speech i think they call it

you dont need to worry pal im sure gazza isnt reading this

[EwarWoo]

therefore we have no right to judge him.

Well, that's OK, because we're not judging him. No consequence will come of any conclusion to this conversation, we're just stating our opinion.

The opinion that he's mentally ill and isn't responsible is just as valid as the opinion that he should have got treatment and is responsible. We can't all agree on everything.

So he's had 30 something years of torment rightly or wrongly feeling that the accident was his fault. Maybe if his character trait was to say "**** it, nothing to do with me", he wouldn't be suffering now.

very true. However in my opinion there comes a point where you have to stop using things as an excuse and accept the help and get yourself treatment, then stick with it. Everyone who carries out domestic violence and most people who carry out dcrime of any type have an excuse lurking there in the background. It doesn't make it OK.

[BFG]

i can comment on what i like fella freedom of speech i think they call it

you dont need to worry pal im sure gazza isnt reading this

I didn't say you couldn't, I merely pointed out that you weren't in a position to as you don't know Gascoigne or what's happened to him in his life but why let things as silly as facts and knowledge get in the way of a good demonisation eh?

[BFG]

Well, that's OK, because we're not judging him. No consequence will come of any conclusion to this conversation, we're just stating our opinion.

The opinion that he's mentally ill and isn't responsible is just as valid as the opinion that he should have got treatment and is responsible. We can't all agree on everything.

Look at Elvoz's post below mate. He is clearly judging him based on his own preconceptions. I didn't really have a problem with your post, although I still don't agree with a word. You're clearly not as stupid as he is.

who says he has been mentally ill for 30 years fella ?
he is ill when it suits - like so many similar
he saw his friend die - ok thats sad but worse things happen
and its like saying you were abused as a kid and so your ****ed up - its utter ****e
the fella needs to get a grip of himself

i realise thats not the way of many on here who seem to want to molly coddle anyone or anything mind

[Nic83]

there's a world of difference between real mental illness and some of the stuff people are coming out with. It strikes me that Gazza's alcohol problem is just a way to try and neutralise the underlying (real problem which is causing the illness)problem. Some people will just never understand what a traumatic event can do to some people with poor wiring (or even good wiring) until it happens to them.

A lot of people with alcoholism are using it to try and escape the real problems and this leads to more serious problems.

[Nic83]

In fact I'd fall into that bracket too myself with my OCD and related depression. On a night out I'm flying but so much worse the next few days after that it's not worth it so I've learned to pace myself and drink far less