FA asks Liverpool to explain show of support for convicted criminal

[Chrono]

have a look in the Liverpool forum for a discussion on this

[Red Chilli]

Much better than your last effort, but you really need to work through your obvious anger towards "scousers".
Not all LFC fans are scousers, there will have been a lot of 'non-scousers' quite happy to show their support for Michael Shields.

I share your belief that the CLUB should not have got involved, but I'm proud of the fans, proud that as a club it is not JUST about the football. It doesn't end with 90+ minutes on the pitch when you are a LFC fan.

We stand together, through good times and bad and that is why our anthem is YNWA. We feel it strongly and support each other as well as the club. I can see why other clubs may not understand that but there's no need to attack it. It's almost as though you feel threatened or insecure by it, which is strange because thre is no need to feel that way.

(A non-scouser)

[Sisterstiffticket]

lol...best not chrono mate. They kisked me outta there!

[carheex]

Why should any group not get involved? Obviously you can't campaign for everyone but every wrong corrected is worth fighting for surely? Every community should be allowed to fight the battles it chooses in an appropriate manner and a mosaic and some speeches seems perfectly reasonable to me. The campaign for a Judicial review in this country is only asking the evidence to be heard in a court here to determine if a miscarriage of justice has occurred - the difference with this case compared to many others is that there is a real chance that something can be done about it in this country.

why should he get another trial, especially as his home country is trying to make it high profile. Besides, what makes you say that he'd get a fair trial in england?? our justice record is as big a joke as anyone elses.

[dww]

have a look in the Liverpool forum for a discussion on this

lol...best not chrono mate. They kisked me outta there!

I've merged it as it makes very little sense to have two discussions.

[dww]

why should he get another trial, especially as his home country is trying to make it high profile. Besides, what makes you say that he'd get a fair trial in england?? our justice record is as big a joke as anyone elses.

He should have a re-trial/appeal as there is new evidence that wasn't presented at the first trial that convinced a high court judge that it was worthy of reappraisal. I actually think that British justice is pretty good, better than many other places but in all honesty I would have been happy for a re-trial in Bulgaria if they admitted all of the evidence. The reason why I mention it being here is because unlike in another country an appeal at Anfield may well have been able to influence the government into having a look at an issue (as indeed it appears to have done).

[Red Chilli]

why should he get another trial, especially as his home country is trying to make it high profile. Besides, what makes you say that he'd get a fair trial in england?? our justice record is as big a joke as anyone elses.

He's entitled to lodge an appeal isn't he?

[Guest]

He's entitled to lodge an appeal isn't he?

I can feel why Carheex acts like this. He seems to have a virulent deep rooted insecurity running through his veins, being a tranny and all that - makes you thick skinned. He holds no prisoners poor old Ms. Carheex.

[Sisterstiffticket]

Almost 20 years ago I visited Liverpool for the very first time. And you know what struck me more than anything else? The feeling of a community - helpful people, decent working class folk... I don't want to patronise the people of Liverpool but it is a city I am immensely proud of.

Personally I did not think the protest on Monday was the right thing to do but I understand the reasons for doing it. I always feel Liverpool has a tight community and the Anfield faithful make that community tighter even more so.

So I fully understand why there would be such strong feeling to protest and help 'one of our own'. Might not agree with it but I completely understand it.

To tag the City as a self-pity place is a cheap shot, it really is. I look at it as a very strong united community - nothing wrong with that.

Living in the South, or London does that to you I suppose, a place where most people don't even know their neighbours. Sure not everyone in Liverpool is a saint but I for one am always made to feel like a guest when I go and I love it.

What complete and utter tosh. I live in the north now and there is nowhere near the community feel there was in Bethnal Green when I grew up. This is an urban myth.

If it has any substance, it should compare rural life to city life as in my experience, city life has more sense of community than rural.

This could be a good thread somewhere soon.

[Parm]

I have mate and I stand by Fredo's comment even if he is saying it to be contrary. Even if he is innocent, there are thousands around the world in the same position and our club shouldn't get involved.

amazing how many people were in his hotel room with him when the incident occurred.

[Parm]

He's entitled to lodge an appeal isn't he?

I thought an appeal had already been heard and dismissed.

[Red Chilli]

I thought an appeal had already been heard and dismissed.

Based on the latest evidence? I must admit, I'm not sure either way

[Vermilion]

Imo this is a special case, he went to a Football Final and never got home ffs, and all through no fault of his own, he was only in that country because it was the cheapest route available to him to and from Istanbul.

He is so very obviously innocent and so i wholeheartedly back the clubs stance on this, a public show of support from Liverpool Football Club is enough to tell anyone that something is very wrong with this conviction, the club wouldn't embark on something like this lightly imo.

[Elvoz]

Imo this is a special case, he went to a Football Final and never got home ffs, and all through no fault of his own, he was only in that country because it was the cheapest route available to him to and from Istanbul.

He is so very obviously innocent and so i wholeheartedly back the clubs stance on this, a public show of support from Liverpool Football Club is enough to tell anyone that something is very wrong with this conviction, the club wouldn't embark on something like this lightly imo.

[JohnDoe]

I have never understood why so many people feel he his not guilty when a court in Bulgaria proved the contrary. We should let justice do its job and not interfere with it.

I have but for me it's a case of 'trial by the press'. There are certainly 'grey areas' but he's still a 'convicted criminal' unless something dramatic happens.

Exactly and it all seems a campaign by his family and friends to 'free him' based on their 'own' evidence. He may well have been wrongly convicted but we should have faith in a judicial system, whether it's from Bulgaria or whichever country. If people aren't having complete confidence in judicial system then there is something wrong somewhere.

But the 'Free Michael' banners are a bit over the top IMO. Yes there are some evidence that should be used in his court case but there is still a procedure to be undertaken (as in any case for that matter) for it to be proved really conclusive and worthy of being a very strong argument in his favour. By putting 'pressure' and asking the club to get involved doesn't do 'justice' to the judicial system in Bulgaria.

Now I know nothing and can't state for certain that Bulgaria's judicial system is flawed but it certainly doesn't help when people are questioning their institution. I am not too sure of reading newspaper articles and making a stance whether or not he isn't guilty; there are probably certain things that we aren't aware of. From what I've read it's not as conclusive as some people are saying.

I am not saying to 'let him rot in jail' just basically saying that it's not the club's duty (or the press) to instigate a campaign to 'free Shields'. What if he ever was really guilty of this criminal act?

There's enough pressure being made (and it's been done for the past 3 years) for people to be 'aware' of this case. Judging by the way you put it, the bulgarian justice system is a bit of a farce if they can't trial Shields on fair grounds.

I'll say it again; you wouldn't know for sure if he's guilty or not. If you are then you must be a really smart arse. Just show me the evidence.

Because the court said so and to me this implies that they have seen enough evidence to 'lock him up'.

Bang on or not he's not a lawyer or a judge, neither are you.

I wouldn't base any judgements on whatever fine prints made by newspapers or journos. This equates to a trial by the press and we all know the Echo is pretty powerful with this kind of thing. As I have said there are certainly grey areas in this case but there is no conclusive evidence to say that he isn't guilty. He is locked in a prison cell for a reason. What if they freed him and he was indeed the culprit???

The club is wrong supporting this issue. Let other campaigners do that; it's not LFC's duty, IMO.

As for your OO'ters comments I find them deeply offending. With this mindset I can now understand how scousers are so badly 'misunderstood' off their shores. Can't help their case isn't it.

This can only mean one thing, Fredo did it.