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    FA asks Liverpool to explain show of support for convicted criminal

    * Daniel Taylor
    * The Guardian, Wednesday December 3 2008

    The Kop protests against the imprisonment of Michael Shields

    The Football Association is to write to Liverpool for an explanation into the orchestrated support shown for the jailed fan Michael Shields during Monday's 0-0 draw with West Ham United at Anfield.

    Officials at Soho Square are considering whether to bring disciplinary charges after taking exception at the manner in which Liverpool have publicly backed a man who has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for the attempted murder of a Bulgarian waiter, Martin Georgiev, in May 2005.

    Another Liverpool fan admitted being responsible for the crime before later retracting his confession and Shields' case will go before a high court review tomorrow. The FA, however, is alarmed that Liverpool should openly use a live televised game to try to influence the matter.

    Rafael Benítez's players wore T-shirts bearing the slogan Free Michael Now during their pre-match warm-up and the actress Sue Johnston was invited on to the pitch with Shields' parents to make a speech calling for the justice secretary, Jack Straw, to "do the right thing".

    A mosaic was held up in the Kop spelling out Free Michael Now and the match-day programme contained an article declaring the 22-year-old's innocence. "Liverpool fan Michael Shields should be here at Anfield for tonight's game," it began. "Instead, he will be sitting in a prison cell."

    The FA's concern is linked to the recent disciplinary case against the Ipswich midfielder David Norris for supporting the former Plymouth Argyle goalkeeper Luke McCormick. Norris had been charged with improper conduct after making a handcuffs gesture in dedication to McCormick, who had been sentenced to seven years in prison for causing the death by dangerous driving of two young brothers.

    The FA's disciplinary department fined Norris £5,000 and is alarmed that Liverpool should also publicly back someone convicted of a serious crime and, in the process, open themselves to allegations of playing judge and jury.

    The matter became a subject of controversy on radio phone-ins yesterday and the FA will, at the very least, remind Liverpool that it does not believe it is the club's role to take on such issues. "We are not comfortable about this," one source told the Guardian.

    There is also an element of concern as Liverpool, according to the FA, had not informed the authorities of their plans. In 1997, their then striker Robbie Fowler was fined 2,000 Swiss francs by Uefa for revealing a T-shirt expressing his support for the city's sacked dock workers.
    "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
    -- William Blake

    #2
    I have never understood why so many people feel he his not guilty when a court in Bulgaria proved the contrary. We should let justice do its job and not interfere with it.

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      #3
      Originally posted by fredo View Post
      I have never understood why so many people feel he his not guilty when a court in Bulgaria proved the contrary. We should let justice do its job and not interfere with it.
      Have you read anything about the case Fredo? I'm going to bet not.
      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
      -- William Blake

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        #4
        Originally posted by fredo View Post
        I have never understood why so many people feel he his not guilty when a court in Bulgaria proved the contrary. We should let justice do its job and not interfere with it.
        It is quite hard to give a judgement on it when one does not know all the evidence involved, which I presume is only presented in the courts in Bulgaria.

        I agree that it's not the place to advocate this, and as far as I know Bulgaria is a constitutional state with a well working court system. If the courts finds enough evidence for him to get convicted, who are in the right place to tell otherwise?

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          #5
          Originally posted by dww View Post
          Have you read anything about the case Fredo? I'm going to bet not.
          I have but for me it's a case of 'trial by the press'. There are certainly 'grey areas' but he's still a 'convicted criminal' unless something dramatic happens.

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            #6
            Originally posted by dww View Post
            Have you read anything about the case Fredo? I'm going to bet not.
            I have mate and I stand by Fredo's comment even if he is saying it to be contrary. Even if he is innocent, there are thousands around the world in the same position and our club shouldn't get involved.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Darkon View Post
              It is quite hard to give a judgement on it when one does not know all the evidence involved, which I presume is only presented in the courts in Bulgaria.

              I agree that it's not the place to advocate this, and as far as I know Bulgaria is a constitutional state with a well working court system. If the courts finds enough evidence for him to get convicted, who are in the right place to tell otherwise?
              Exactly and it all seems a campaign by his family and friends to 'free him' based on their 'own' evidence. He may well have been wrongly convicted but we should have faith in a judicial system, whether it's from Bulgaria or whichever country. If people aren't having complete confidence in judicial system then there is something wrong somewhere.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                I have mate and I stand by Fredo's comment even if he is saying it to be contrary. Even if he is innocent, there are thousands around the world in the same position and our club shouldn't get involved.
                I don't do this on purpose FFS, certainly not in this case. I have been saying this for years as regards this particular case.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by fredo View Post
                  I don't do this on purpose FFS, certainly not in this case. I have been saying this for years as regards this particular case.
                  Fair enough then mate

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by fredo View Post
                    I have but for me it's a case of 'trial by the press'. There are certainly 'grey areas' but he's still a 'convicted criminal' unless something dramatic happens.
                    So a confession from someone else doesn't sway your opinion at all?

                    I would also suggest that in this and most free countries the steps taken in teh investigation would have seen his conviction quashed - dressing him up for the ID parade hardly speaks of giving someone a fair chance neither does teh failure to admit two witness testimony saying that it wasn't him.
                    "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                    -- William Blake

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                      I have mate and I stand by Fredo's comment even if he is saying it to be contrary. Even if he is innocent, there are thousands around the world in the same position and our club shouldn't get involved.
                      Why should any group not get involved? Obviously you can't campaign for everyone but every wrong corrected is worth fighting for surely? Every community should be allowed to fight the battles it chooses in an appropriate manner and a mosaic and some speeches seems perfectly reasonable to me. The campaign for a Judicial review in this country is only asking the evidence to be heard in a court here to determine if a miscarriage of justice has occurred - the difference with this case compared to many others is that there is a real chance that something can be done about it in this country.
                      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                      -- William Blake

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by dww View Post
                        So a confession from someone else doesn't sway your opinion at all?
                        Mate, that was only given at the point where he was safely back at home and would have been required to be extradited. Some might say a conspiracy.

                        Meanwhile an innocent man lies in a coma.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by dww View Post
                          So a confession from someone else doesn't sway your opinion at all?

                          I would also suggest that in this and most free countries the steps taken in teh investigation would have seen his conviction quashed - dressing him up for the ID parade hardly speaks of giving someone a fair chance neither does teh failure to admit two witness testimony saying that it wasn't him.
                          But the big question here for me is, what about all the evidence that speaks against him, and outweighs the things we know through the website in the court of Bulgaria?

                          If the judges in the high court ends up keeping the verdict, it must mean that they have solid evidence that places him as the one who commited the crime. We only know one side of the story, and we haven't seen any evidence ourselves.

                          I just find it very hard to go in and say he is innocent when/if a court in a free democratic country states otherwise after seeing ALL the evidence and statements.

                          If he gets convicted innocent it is of course deeply wrong, but even in that case I find it hard for LFC to get involved in the case and think it is a bit out of place getting involved in criminal-cases.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by dww View Post
                            Why should any group not get involved? Obviously you can't campaign for everyone but every wrong corrected is worth fighting for surely? Every community should be allowed to fight the battles it chooses in an appropriate manner and a mosaic and some speeches seems perfectly reasonable to me. The campaign for a Judicial review in this country is only asking the evidence to be heard in a court here to determine if a miscarriage of justice has occurred - the difference with this case compared to many others is that there is a real chance that something can be done about it in this country.
                            That very much depends. Why does my support of our club throw weight behind something I do not want to support? I feel this should be dealt with outside of this environment.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by fredo View Post
                              We should let justice do its job and not interfere with it.
                              Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                              Even if he is innocent, there are thousands around the world in the same position and our club shouldn't get involved.
                              Totally agree with both.

                              I don't think it is the clubs place to get as heavily involved in this as they have done and I certainly don't think that the players should be wearing the T shirts..

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