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    #16
    Originally posted by dww View Post
    Why should any group not get involved? Obviously you can't campaign for everyone but every wrong corrected is worth fighting for surely? Every community should be allowed to fight the battles it chooses in an appropriate manner and a mosaic and some speeches seems perfectly reasonable to me. The campaign for a Judicial review in this country is only asking the evidence to be heard in a court here to determine if a miscarriage of justice has occurred - the difference with this case compared to many others is that there is a real chance that something can be done about it in this country.
    But the 'Free Michael' banners are a bit over the top IMO. Yes there are some evidence that should be used in his court case but there is still a procedure to be undertaken (as in any case for that matter) for it to be proved really conclusive and worthy of being a very strong argument in his favour. By putting 'pressure' and asking the club to get involved doesn't do 'justice' to the judicial system in Bulgaria.

    Now I know nothing and can't state for certain that Bulgaria's judicial system is flawed but it certainly doesn't help when people are questioning their institution. I am not too sure of reading newspaper articles and making a stance whether or not he isn't guilty; there are probably certain things that we aren't aware of. From what I've read it's not as conclusive as some people are saying.

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      #17
      Originally posted by fredo View Post
      But the 'Free Michael' banners are a bit over the top IMO. Yes there are some evidence that should be used in his court case but there is still a procedure to be undertaken (as in any case for that matter) for it to be proved really conclusive and worthy of being a very strong argument in his favour. By putting 'pressure' and asking the club to get involved doesn't do 'justice' to the judicial system in Bulgaria.

      Now I know nothing and can't state for certain that Bulgaria's judicial system is flawed but it certainly doesn't help when people are questioning their institution. I am not too sure of reading newspaper articles and making a stance whether or not he isn't guilty; there are probably certain things that we aren't aware of. From what I've read it's not as conclusive as some people are saying.
      The Judicial system of Bulgaria is meassured to be of european standards, and deemed free and fair overall. They have small structural problems as does many of the former soviet states, but it is good enough to be a part of the EU so in general well working and free of corruption.

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        #18
        I agree with Fredo

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          #19
          Originally posted by fredo View Post
          I have never understood why so many people feel he his not guilty when a court in Bulgaria proved the contrary. We should let justice do its job and not interfere with it.

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            #20
            I kind of agree with Fredo (for once) in that I've always felt a bit easy that the club publicly back this campaign.

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              #21
              It does appear to be an awful injustice but I have to say that I felt slightly uncomfortable that the club was officially endorsing the protest.
              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                #22
                Originally posted by elvoz View Post
                You know better obviously,

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by looprevil View Post
                  It does appear to be an awful injustice but I have to say that I felt slightly uncomfortable that the club was officially endorsing the protest.


                  The club should stay out of it. If some players want to support it, then fine.
                  Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                  According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                    #24
                    The conviction seems very dodgy, but I understand that the FA would be concerned about the club's involvement. He was convicted and his innocence is a personal value judgement. Pressure behind the scenes is a good thing, but a public show of support endorsed by the club was a mistake imo.
                    Last edited by Kenneth; 03-12-08, 10:26 AM.
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by fredo View Post
                      You know better obviously,
                      indeed

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by elvoz View Post
                        indeed
                        Well how about you explain to us then?

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                          #27
                          On the other hand I can understand that the club may want to reinforce its local community ties where possible, considering it is such a global icon, and such support is a clear demonstration of its committment to the people of the City and its roots.
                          "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by dww View Post
                            Why should any group not get involved? Obviously you can't campaign for everyone but every wrong corrected is worth fighting for surely? Every community should be allowed to fight the battles it chooses in an appropriate manner and a mosaic and some speeches seems perfectly reasonable to me. The campaign for a Judicial review in this country is only asking the evidence to be heard in a court here to determine if a miscarriage of justice has occurred - the difference with this case compared to many others is that there is a real chance that something can be done about it in this country.
                            None of us really know for sure whether he is innocent or guilty but the things you've pointed out are enough to make a thorough review of the case necessary.

                            Without the club's support and more importantly the public exposure this gives to the case Shields may still be sat in a Bulgarian jail with noone really questioning a conviction that at the very least looks shakey.
                            "My commitment to Liverpool is 100 per cent. I would die for that Liverpool shirt. I think the club loves me and I feel the same, no matter what the situation." - Pepe Reina, Nov '09.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by looprevil View Post
                              On the other hand I can understand that the club may want to reinforce its local community ties where possible, considering it is such a global icon, and such support is a clear demonstration of its committment to the people of the City and its roots.
                              or a cheap stunt by the owners in an attempt to get the fans onside.

                              Either way it should have been left well alone by LFC.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Reggie View Post
                                Well how about you explain to us then?
                                i though it wolud be as well for you or anyone to read the facts on this case then make your own mind up

                                the "protest" on monday was to bring the case more into the public eye for the judicial review which takes place this week

                                which it did

                                and maybe im wrong but those who are saying LFC should stay out of this are the OOTers

                                possibly feeling in the city is stronger

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