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    #61
    I wasn't going to discuss as I wouldve expected a backlash of abuse for my views - I kept quiet on my own opinions until last night I discussed it with my dad - a season ticket holder for 30 years or so. Reading some of the comments here, it appears i am not as much a minority as I thought

    Whilst i will admit, having read a fair bit about the case it seems so harsh on Michael Shields to have been imprisoned, I did feel that on Monday night, the club getting so involved with it all felt 'weird' - it felt to me at least, that i was almost being force feed into supporting the campaign otherwise i wasn't a true 'supporter' if that makes sense. I do feel that the club is the wrong vehicle for this campaign - why? I know this is a very big IF but........say for example, as a result of the clubs backing, Michael Shields was freed but a few years down the line, by some bizarre highly unlikely chance, details emerge that in fact he was involved in some way, how woul everyone feel, how would the club look etc

    I also suspect that - although Elvoz says the locals are very much behind this, that may not be the case - what led me to think this, again this kind of leads to me saying it felt like a force feed campaign to support michael shields otherwise i''m not a true lfc fan was the reaction from the kop.......Ok they held a mosiac up, but then the "Free Michael Now" chant came across as very half hearted and was led by people who feel very strongly that he should be freed, but it also had a feel of a lot people joining in the chant cause the guy next to him was and they didn't want to look a cunt.

    It was not like, say JFT 96, which is a passionate and emotional affair that effected the club and the city, and as such the response when the kop held up that mosiac resulted in a much more passionate response from the whole of anfield - you could feel the emotion and everyone was involved in that protest.

    As I said, on monday - the chanting of "free michael shields" didn't come across like that at all - it to me sounded more 'hollow' as a result of people joining the chant to fit in with the crowd.

    Again, i want to say what has happened must be a terrible thing for Michael Shields, his famiy and his friends, and it is great that he has so many supporters, and I have nothing against the campaign or anything like that - my only issue was that some people seem to think that if you don't support the michael shields campaign then you are not a 'proper' fan.
    i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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      #62
      Originally posted by theprisoner View Post
      Unanimous.
      .
      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



      May the Lord bless this post.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Chrono View Post
        Yeah, totally!

        **** that idiot that got his head smashed in with a paving stone!


        No, put the correct person in jail. The person that actually confessed to the crime.
        Bill Oddie, Bill Oddie, put your hands all over my body.

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          #64
          Originally posted by The Glove View Post
          So you have someone who didint fit the description, was made to look like the description, shown to the witnesses before any line up and also have someone else confess to the crime and thats not a mis-carraige of justice? ****in hell, what is then?
          i dont think some of this lot understand mate
          but your bang on

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            #65
            Originally posted by The Glove View Post
            So you have someone who didint fit the description, was made to look like the description, shown to the witnesses before any line up and also have someone else confess to the crime and thats not a mis-carraige of justice? ****in hell, what is then?
            Not what I read. He did fit the description although he had obviously changed once he had got home and gone to sleep. Also, as mentioned previously, the confession was given from the safety of home knowing that this would potentially free Michael.

            Why did the guy not give it while he was there? Why do the Bulgarian courts not feel that it was a confession worth examining in more detail?

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              #66
              Originally posted by PTP View Post
              I wasn't going to discuss as I wouldve expected a backlash of abuse for my views - I kept quiet on my own opinions until last night I discussed it with my dad - a season ticket holder for 30 years or so. Reading some of the comments here, it appears i am not as much a minority as I thought

              Whilst i will admit, having read a fair bit about the case it seems so harsh on Michael Shields to have been imprisoned, I did feel that on Monday night, the club getting so involved with it all felt 'weird' - it felt to me at least, that i was almost being force feed into supporting the campaign otherwise i wasn't a true 'supporter' if that makes sense. I do feel that the club is the wrong vehicle for this campaign - why? I know this is a very big IF but........say for example, as a result of the clubs backing, Michael Shields was freed but a few years down the line, by some bizarre highly unlikely chance, details emerge that in fact he was involved in some way, how woul everyone feel, how would the club look etc

              I also suspect that - although Elvoz says the locals are very much behind this, that may not be the case - what led me to think this, again this kind of leads to me saying it felt like a force feed campaign to support michael shields otherwise i''m not a true lfc fan was the reaction from the kop.......Ok they held a mosiac up, but then the "Free Michael Now" chant came across as very half hearted and was led by people who feel very strongly that he should be freed, but it also had a feel of a lot people joining in the chant cause the guy next to him was and they didn't want to look a cunt.

              It was not like, say JFT 96, which is a passionate and emotional affair that effected the club and the city, and as such the response when the kop held up that mosiac resulted in a much more passionate response from the whole of anfield - you could feel the emotion and everyone was involved in that protest.

              As I said, on monday - the chanting of "free michael shields" didn't come across like that at all - it to me sounded more 'hollow' as a result of people joining the chant to fit in with the crowd.

              Again, i want to say what has happened must be a terrible thing for Michael Shields, his famiy and his friends, and it is great that he has so many supporters, and I have nothing against the campaign or anything like that - my only issue was that some people seem to think that if you don't support the michael shields campaign then you are not a 'proper' fan.
              were police found not guilty here too ?
              does that make it as fredo thinks "proof"

              but i honestly see your point mate and well put - and in no way have i said your not a proper fan if you dont support the campaign
              its a difficult one sure -but soem people are just ****in ignorant to "justice" and how it is seen in some countries

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                #67
                Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                Not what I read. He did fit the description although he had obviously changed once he had got home and gone to sleep. Also, as mentioned previously, the confession was given from the safety of home knowing that this would potentially free Michael.

                Why did the guy not give it while he was there? Why do the Bulgarian courts not feel that it was a confession worth examining in more detail?

                are you for real

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by elvoz View Post
                  are you for real
                  What's your point?

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                    Not what I read. He did fit the description although he had obviously changed once he had got home and gone to sleep. Also, as mentioned previously, the confession was given from the safety of home knowing that this would potentially free Michael.

                    Why did the guy not give it while he was there? Why do the Bulgarian courts not feel that it was a confession worth examining in more detail?
                    While I think the rest of the point is valid, surely to a degree you have already answered that point when you suggested that he gave it when he was free of the likelihood of prosecution. It is a very sound point that if we free Shields and part of the evidence for doing so is the confession of someone else we do need to consider how we deal with the party we would be implying we think is guilty.
                    "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                    -- William Blake

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                      Not what I read. He did fit the description although he had obviously changed once he had got home and gone to sleep. Also, as mentioned previously, the confession was given from the safety of home knowing that this would potentially free Michael.

                      Why did the guy not give it while he was there? Why do the Bulgarian courts not feel that it was a confession worth examining in more detail?

                      They shaved his head so he fit the description, so him changing his tracky doesnt really matter.

                      The guy didnt give it while there probably because he thought he would be away and free. He was 'happy' to serve the time here but didnt want to go to jail in Bulgaria. Who would? I ****ing wouldnt. Being in jail would be bad enough never mind going somewhere like that.

                      If the Bulgarian court did revise the case then they would look cunts for the glaring errors they made. Why do you think they have passed it on to us? They have ****ed up and know it but youre never going to get the Bulgarians to admit it. They have got a conviction, a show trial, and now washed their hands of it.
                      Bill Oddie, Bill Oddie, put your hands all over my body.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                        What's your point?
                        err

                        maybe he didnt want to get locked up

                        just a random guess like

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by elvoz View Post
                          i dont think some of this lot understand mate
                          but your bang on
                          Bang on or not he's not a lawyer or a judge, neither are you.

                          I wouldn't base any judgements on whatever fine prints made by newspapers or journos. This equates to a trial by the press and we all know the Echo is pretty powerful with this kind of thing. As I have said there are certainly grey areas in this case but there is no conclusive evidence to say that he isn't guilty. He is locked in a prison cell for a reason. What if they freed him and he was indeed the culprit???

                          The club is wrong supporting this issue. Let other campaigners do that; it's not LFC's duty, IMO.

                          As for your OO'ters comments I find them deeply offending. With this mindset I can now understand how scousers are so badly 'misunderstood' off their shores. Can't help their case isn't it.

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                            #73
                            This is obviously quite a one sided account but still worth reading:
                            "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                            -- William Blake

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                              #74
                              I think perhaps I have given the impression that Michael Shields is guilty which was not my intention. What I am saying is that although I would personally sign and support a judicial review it would not be from a position of supporting this guy but instead intending justice be served.

                              As far as I am concerned, from reading many many articles and watching the documentary, this is in no way a cut and dry case of injustice and while it is that way we should not be supporting a potential murderer. "Free Michael Shields" is a statement of his presumed innocence whatever way you look at it.

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by fredo View Post
                                Bang on or not he's not a lawyer or a judge, neither are you.

                                I wouldn't base any judgements on whatever fine prints made by newspapers or journos. This equates to a trial by the press and we all know the Echo is pretty powerful with this kind of thing. As I have said there are certainly grey areas in this case but there is no conclusive evidence to say that he isn't guilty. He is locked in a prison cell for a reason. What if they freed him and he was indeed the culprit???

                                The club is wrong supporting this issue. Let other campaigners do that; it's not LFC's duty, IMO.

                                As for your OO'ters comments I find them deeply offending. With this mindset I can now understand how scousers are so badly 'misunderstood' off their shores. Can't help their case isn't it.
                                no offence mate but **** off
                                or read the whole thing - i said the "locals" are more supportive -
                                although if you are offended i will try my best to have a horlicks before bed tonight

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