Adebayor Goal Celebration

[rudedog]

That may explain why people behave like thugs or whatever else in crowds but it doesn't excuse the individuals within the crowd - they are still responsible for their actions.

If its true that people in large emotionaly charged crowds can have a lessened sense of individuality and personal accountability then do they become less responsible for their actions?

South African courts have recently accepted social psychological phenomena as extenuating factors in murder trials. In one important case, eight railway workers were convicted of murdering four strike breakers during an industrial dispute. The court accepted coriformity, obedience,group polarization, deindividuation, bystander apathy,and other well-established psychological phenomena as extenuating factors for four of the eight defendants, but sentenced the others to death. In a second trial, death sentences of five defendants for the "necklace" killing of a young woman were reduced to 20 months imprisonment in the light of similar social psychological evidence.

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[Neil Young]

If its true that people in large emotionaly charged crowds can have a lessened sense of individuality and personal accountability then do they become less responsible for their actions?




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I'm all for understanding why it happens but I don't think it absolves them of guilt.

Tribalism of one kind or another can be constructive in certain circumstances but is essentially very problematic as it makes people ignore the one fundamental truth: we're all the same, we're all someone's child, we all bleed and we're all going to die.

OK, that could be four truths but they're just different ways of saying the same thing.

The point about behaviour in crowds is that if you provide a legal basis which allows people to behave differently from how they would on their own then you encourage dehumanisation of members of the outgroup. And that is where the trouble really starts.

[rudedog]

I'm all for understanding why it happens but I don't think it absolves them of guilt.

Tribalism of one kind or another can be constructive in certain circumstances but is essentially very problematic as it makes people ignore the one fundamental truth: we're all the same, we're all someone's child, we all bleed and we're all going to die.

OK, that could be four truths but they're just different ways of saying the same thing.

The point about behaviour in crowds is that if you provide a legal basis which allows people to behave differently from how they would on their own then you encourage dehumanisation of members of the outgroup. And that is where the trouble really starts.

I don't think it absolves them of guilt either but that hasn't really answered my question:

"If its true that people in large emotionaly charged crowds can have a lessened sense of individuality and personal accountability then do they become less responsible for their actions?"

[kingfunk]

The Football Association have hit Emmanuel Adebayor with two charges following his stormy performance in Manchester City's win over Arsenal on Saturday.

Adebayor is facing a three-match ban for violent conduct for the incident involving Robin van Persie, while the City striker is likely to face an additional punishment for the celebration that followed his goal in the 4-2 win.

Unless the Togo international can successfully argue his case, he is almost certain not to be available for City at least until their trip to Wigan on October 18.

[Reece]

Am I right in thinking that if Citeh appeal he'll be available for the derby at the weekend?

[kingfunk]

Am I right in thinking that if Citeh appeal he'll be available for the derby at the weekend?

I hope so.

[dww]

I don't think it absolves them of guilt either but that hasn't really answered my question:

"If its true that people in large emotionaly charged crowds can have a lessened sense of individuality and personal accountability then do they become less responsible for their actions?"

Only in the same sense that being drunk does and in the sense of taking the blame and dealing with the consequences neither diminishes the responsibility of the individual in my view.

[Neil Young]

Only in the same sense that being drunk does and in the sense of taking the blame and dealing with the consequences neither diminishes the responsibility of the individual in my view.

[Neil Young]

Since Adebayor got booked for his celebration then the referee clearly saw the behaviour and took the action he deemed appropriate. How is it the FA aren't undermining the referee's decision, which would clearly breach FIFA regulations, by looking at this incident?

[rudedog]

Only in the same sense that being drunk does and in the sense of taking the blame and dealing with the consequences neither diminishes the responsibility of the individual in my view.

thats a fair point which I tend to agree with.

[Kenneth]

The Football Association have hit Emmanuel Adebayor with two charges following his stormy performance in Manchester City's win over Arsenal on Saturday.

Adebayor is facing a three-match ban for violent conduct for the incident involving Robin van Persie, while the City striker is likely to face an additional punishment for the celebration that followed his goal in the 4-2 win.

Unless the Togo international can successfully argue his case, he is almost certain not to be available for City at least until their trip to Wigan on October 18.

i.e. misses the Man Utd game.

[Assassin]

Since Adebayor got booked for his celebration then the referee clearly saw the behaviour and took the action he deemed appropriate. How is it the FA aren't undermining the referee's decision, which would clearly breach FIFA regulations, by looking at this incident?

Not so sure about that Neil. If the booking was given by the ref for excessive celebrating, which a yellow card is sufficient. If the FA look at as crowd encitement there are not undermining the ref

[Craig_H]

Am I right in thinking that if Citeh appeal he'll be available for the derby at the weekend?

I believe so. Let's hope the Eastlands lot have half a brain cell between them...

[Scratch]

Thought the whole point of the FA's new fast track system was that players didn't miss a game...he's been charged, City have til Wednesday to lodge an appeal, the appeal will be heard (2 hour session max) and then judgement will be meted out, all before Saturday?

[dww]

JAMIE REDKNAPP: I screamed every expletive imaginable at Gerard Houllier after I scored against Newcastle. It was an explosion of emotion

By Jamie Redknapp [Mail]
Last updated at 8:56 AM on 15th September 2009

It helps to have played the game to really understand the emotions involved: the abuse from other players, the insults from opposition supporters and even from your own supporters.

Then there is the hate mail and the abusive phone calls when someone gets hold of your number and passes it around and that's before the messageboards and phone-ins, where every fan now feels he has a voice and the right to attack players and managers.


Jamie Redknapp admits he couldn't hold his emotions in when scoring against Newcastle in 2000

It's not just what you endure personally, either. It's your wife in the street or on the school run, your parents, your friends. And your children in the school playground. When the chance of retaliation comes, control is difficult to maintain. The emotion wins the day.

I remember recovering from a long injury lay-off and sitting stewing on the bench for Liverpool, not getting as much match action as I thought I deserved. We were playing Newcastle and when I was finally sent on, I rose above Duncan Ferguson to score a rare header and win the game.


Redknapp reacts to a decision back in his Anfield playing days
Feeling the heat: Redknapp reacts to a decision back in his Anfield playing days

I ran as fast as I could towards the manager, my own manager, Gerard Houllier. I screamed every expletive imaginable in his direction. It was an explosion of emotion. The injustice overcomes you. Like me, Emmanuel Adebayor thought his goal proved a point.

It has been said that scoring a goal is better than sex - I'd better not admit if that is true or not as my wife reads the Daily Mail - but it gives you a rush of adrenaline. Add that to Adebayor's mum allegedly being called a 'whore' by some Arsenal fans during the game and you can see why he wanted to celebrate in front of them. It was his retaliation; I'm not condoning it, but before condemning it, we should all consider the emotions involved.

I played with Robbie Fowler when he 'snorted the line' in the derby game. He had been persistently accused, falsely, of taking drugs. Then he scored a penalty at the away end and he just snapped. Even when Steve McManaman tried to drag him away, he went back down on his knees for more. He felt it was time he had a voice.

Ban Adebayor for the stamp, but the celebration of a goal is part of the entertainment of football.