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    #16
    Someone needs to take a long hard look at our scouting system,
    or start giving a few of these lads a break..


    I know Darby, Pacheco etc have had a few bench warmers but a lot of these guys have been brought into the club via scouts/transfers.

    Plessis
    Nemeth
    Kelly
    Irwin
    Eccleston
    Ayala
    Hansen
    Gulacsi
    Bouzanis
    Amoo
    Pacheco
    Bruna
    Brouwer
    Buchtmann
    Flora
    Dalla Valle
    Kacaniklic
    Mavinga
    Mendy
    Oldfield
    Palsson
    Poloskei
    San José
    Saric
    Simon
    Threlfall
    Weijl

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      #17
      Originally posted by Shanks007 View Post
      Someone needs to take a long hard look at our scouting system,
      or start giving a few of these lads a break..


      I know Darby, Pacheco etc have had a few bench warmers but a lot of these guys have been brought into the club via scouts/transfers.

      Plessis
      Nemeth
      Kelly
      Irwin
      Eccleston
      Ayala
      Hansen
      Gulacsi
      Bouzanis
      Amoo
      Pacheco
      Bruna
      Brouwer
      Buchtmann
      Flora
      Dalla Valle
      Kacaniklic
      Mavinga
      Mendy
      Oldfield
      Palsson
      Poloskei
      San José
      Saric
      Simon
      Threlfall
      Weijl
      This lad will make it, I have no doubt
      I make no apologies, this is me

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        #18
        Originally posted by Shanks007 View Post
        Someone needs to take a long hard look at our scouting system,
        or start giving a few of these lads a break..


        I know Darby, Pacheco etc have had a few bench warmers but a lot of these guys have been brought into the club via scouts/transfers.

        Plessis
        Nemeth
        Kelly
        Irwin
        Eccleston
        Ayala
        Hansen
        Gulacsi
        Bouzanis
        Amoo
        Pacheco
        Bruna
        Brouwer
        Buchtmann
        Flora
        Dalla Valle
        Kacaniklic
        Mavinga
        Mendy
        Oldfield
        Palsson
        Poloskei
        San José
        Saric
        Simon
        Threlfall
        Weijl


        But most if not all of those are 18 or under? You're way early here. Maybe in four or five years your point might be valid, but now? WTF? They're all kids.
        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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          #19
          Originally posted by Shaggy View Post


          But most if not all of those are 18 or under? You're way early here. Maybe in four or five years your point might be valid, but now? WTF? They're all kids.
          And aren't they all playing? Rafa has the reserves serving as under 18/20's basically and the younger ones are in the U-18's, I think we usually have the youngest reserve team in the league.
          * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Shanks007 View Post
            Someone needs to take a long hard look at our scouting system,
            or start giving a few of these lads a break..


            I know Darby, Pacheco etc have had a few bench warmers but a lot of these guys have been brought into the club via scouts/transfers.

            Plessis
            Nemeth
            Kelly
            Irwin
            Eccleston
            Ayala
            Hansen
            Gulacsi
            Bouzanis
            Amoo
            Pacheco
            Bruna
            Brouwer
            Buchtmann
            Flora
            Dalla Valle
            Kacaniklic
            Mavinga
            Mendy
            Oldfield
            Palsson
            Poloskei
            San José
            Saric
            Simon
            Threlfall
            Weijl

            here is Scums academy, whats your point?

            Joe Dudge
            Oliver Gill
            Matthew James
            Federico Macheda
            Scott Moffatt
            Oliver Norwood
            Cameron Stewart
            Danny Welbeck
            Nicholas Ajose
            Robert Brady
            Reece Brown
            Conor Devlin
            Joshua King
            Davide Petrucci
            Scott Wootton –
            John Cofie
            Larnell Cole
            Ezekiel Fryers
            Etzaz Hussain
            Sam Johnstone
            Will Keane
            Jesse Lingard
            Ra'vel Morrison
            Tom Thorpe
            Ryan Tunnicliffe –
            _____________________________________

            Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

            Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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              #21
              Originally posted by Shanks007 View Post
              Someone needs to take a long hard look at our scouting system,
              or start giving a few of these lads a break..


              I know Darby, Pacheco etc have had a few bench warmers but a lot of these guys have been brought into the club via scouts/transfers.

              Plessis
              Nemeth
              Kelly
              Irwin
              Eccleston
              Ayala
              Hansen
              Gulacsi
              Bouzanis
              Amoo
              Pacheco
              Bruna
              Brouwer
              Buchtmann
              Flora
              Dalla Valle
              Kacaniklic
              Mavinga
              Mendy
              Oldfield
              Palsson
              Poloskei
              San José
              Saric
              Simon
              Threlfall
              Weijl
              i bet you more come through our academy in the next 5years than Wengers coca cola cup dream team
              _____________________________________

              Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

              Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                #22
                Originally posted by Shanks007 View Post
                Someone needs to take a long hard look at our scouting system,
                or start giving a few of these lads a break..


                I know Darby, Pacheco etc have had a few bench warmers but a lot of these guys have been brought into the club via scouts/transfers.

                Plessis
                Nemeth
                Kelly
                Irwin
                Eccleston
                Ayala
                Hansen
                Gulacsi
                Bouzanis
                Amoo
                Pacheco
                Bruna
                Brouwer
                Buchtmann
                Flora
                Dalla Valle
                Kacaniklic
                Mavinga
                Mendy
                Oldfield
                Palsson
                Poloskei
                San José
                Saric
                Simon
                Threlfall
                Weijl
                A lot of those guys are highly rated though:
                Dalla Valle
                San Jose
                Buchtmann
                Bruna
                Pacheco
                Amoo
                Bouzanis
                Eccleston
                Kelly
                Nemeth
                Wisdom
                Pepper
                Derby

                Could see at least 1-2 of those guys making the breakthough.
                K ris90210

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Shaggy View Post


                  But most if not all of those are 18 or under? You're way early here. Maybe in four or five years your point might be valid, but now? WTF? They're all kids.
                  Michael Owen was 17 on his debut and played his first full season when he was 18.

                  Robbie Fowler was 18 when he scored 5 against Fulham in the League Cup.

                  Wayne Rooney was 17/18 in his first two years at Everton and signed by manure at 19

                  If there is a special talent among any of our reserves, they should be good enough at 18/19 years old.

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                    #24
                    The point being...

                    The Mancs and Arsenal will play a good reserve/youth team in the League Cup and will generally be confident of getting through..

                    We could not play those lads and have the same confidence..

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by RoadEnd View Post
                      Michael Owen was 17 on his debut and played his first full season when he was 18.

                      Robbie Fowler was 18 when he scored 5 against Fulham in the League Cup.

                      Wayne Rooney was 17/18 in his first two years at Everton and signed by manure at 19

                      If there is a special talent among any of our reserves, they should be good enough at 18/19 years old.
                      They're the exceptions to the rule, most top class players develop steadily.
                      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by RoadEnd View Post
                        Michael Owen was 17 on his debut and played his first full season when he was 18.

                        Robbie Fowler was 18 when he scored 5 against Fulham in the League Cup.

                        Wayne Rooney was 17/18 in his first two years at Everton and signed by manure at 19

                        If there is a special talent among any of our reserves, they should be good enough at 18/19 years old.
                        You can't be depending on under-developed kids though at such a young age, not with how the premiership is now. The athleticism and strength needed is so much more insense than when those guys broke through.

                        The last thing we need a couple of years from now is a generation of crocked wonderkids.
                        Hello mert.

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                          #27
                          I just think there has been alot of hype around a number of players, I think labeling them the new whoever puts alot of pressure on them and is often misguided at such a young age, which is why more often than not they fail to live up to expectations. I know this will be seen by some as a negative approach but statistically probably less than 5 out of every 100 promising 16 year old kids will play for us in the Premiership
                          The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                            They're the exceptions to the rule, most top class players develop steadily.
                            which is why I put special in bold

                            Is there just one of those players that could emerge as a real talent. I hope so.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by fah-q View Post
                              Suso Sudio

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                                #30
                                I think there is an issue here, it's not just the failure to produce special players, although that is the ideal situation, but the fall back should be selling players who aren't good enough for us to lower Premiership or Championship clubs for a few million quid to boost the transfer kitty. The scum sold the likes of Richardson, Rossi, Pique etc all of whom they deemed not good enough for £5m+. I can only think of Warnock, Wright and Guthrie who we've sold in the last 5 or so years for more than £1m.
                                The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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