Deadline Day Transfers

[Craig_H]

We may simply have had no gain from having them either, they could even have a negative effect you don't know. As I said Kuyt and N'gog in my eyes are better players.
Kuyt has more goals this season than Benjani has in his entire time at City (he has 4 in 23)
And while Beattie has 9 goals in his time at Stoke, both Kuyt and N'gog provide a lot more than he does.

If we'd had no gain, no problem. We'd have had nothing to lose though.

The most negative effect would be if we struggle for options and end up missing out on a top four finish.

[Mattshark]

Is Kalou better than Drogba or Anelka? No but he gives Chelsea another option.

Is Owen better than Rooney? No but he gives United another option

Is Vela better than Van Persie? No but he gives Arsenal another option.

The more options you have the better it is for the team.

No, sometimes those players are simply no use at the level required and simply take up space. And Kalou, Owen and Vela are all still better than Benjani and Beattie. By that logic we'd have been better just keeping Voronin as back up.

[Mattshark]

If we'd had no gain, no problem. We'd have had nothing to lose though.

The most negative effect would be if we struggle for options and end up missing out on a top four finish.

No the most negative effect would be a dressing room breakdown caused by the players, or if they developed violent psychopathy while here.

[Craig_H]

No, sometimes those players are simply no use at the level required and simply take up space. And Kalou, Owen and Vela are all still better than Benjani and Beattie. By that logic we'd have been better just keeping Voronin as back up.

Well no, because we tried Voronin and he proved to be of no use to us.

We dont know that would be the case of, for example, Benjani.

No the most negative effect would be a dressing room breakdown caused by the players, or if they developed violent psychopathy while here.

Yes, because that's likely.

[Mattshark]

Well no, because we tried Voronin and he proved to be of no use to us.

We dont know that would be the case of, for example, Benjani.

Actually, that is exactly what Marky's (lack of) logic stated, that having more options was simply better.

[Craig_H]

Actually, that is exactly what Marky's (lack of) logic stated, that having more options was simply better.

Having more potentially useful options, would be better than having virtually none, yes.

The point is, we dont know whether or not Benjani would've proved a useful option. If we got him on loan and he proved to be a useful option, great. If he proved not to be one, then nothing's really lost.

Unless we take your possible scenario, whereby he turns out to be some homicidal maniac who goes on a mental machine-gunning spree around Melwood, in which case, then obviously a lot would be lost.

That's a (minute) risk i'd be willing to take.

[Mattshark]

Having more potentially useful options, would be better than having virtually none, yes.

The point is, we dont know whether or not Benjani would've proved a useful option. If we got him on loan and he proved to be a useful option, great. If he proved not to be one, then nothing's really lost.

Unless we take your possible scenario, whereby he turns out to be some homicidal maniac who goes on a mental machine-gunning spree around Melwood, in which case, then obviously a lot would be lost.

That's a (minute) risk i'd be willing to take.

More options doesn't help if those options are not good enough and Benjani has not shown any sign of being good enough at City, his scoring rate is poorer than Voronin's, he isn't worth the effort and the wages we would pay.

He would be 5th choice (when Torres is not injured) for one spot, signing someone who offers nothing we don't have and has less that our current players is not a worthwhile signing.

[Craig_H]

Far as i can see, your view that he'd be no use to us, is based on speculation - as nobody can know how well a player might perform in different surroundings, and at a different club.

So we're not learning anything new here. I've already said he might have been useful to us, or may not - we have no way of knowing for sure.

You've decided he wouldnt be of any use - something which may or may not be true.

[Mattshark]

Far as i can see, your view that he'd be no use to us, is based on speculation - as nobody can know how well a player might perform in different surroundings, and at a different club.

So we're not learning anything new here. I've already said he might have been useful to us, or may not - we have no way of knowing for sure.

You've decided he wouldnt be of any use - something which may or may not be true.

Which is fine, no problem with speculation, but the point I was arguing is that it is Marky's contention that not bringing in either Benjani or Beattie is crazy, which it appears it isn't.

[Craig_H]

Which is fine, no problem with speculation, but the point I was arguing is that it is Marky's contention that not bringing in either Benjani or Beattie is crazy, which it appears it isn't.

I wouldnt call it crazy, neither of them are exactly David Villa.

But i think it would've been a wiser move to have just added to the numbers a little.

[Mattshark]

I wouldnt call it crazy, neither of them are exactly David Villa.

But i think it would've been a wiser move to have just added to the numbers a little.

I think that would be player dependent and I personally am glad neither of those players are here.

January it seems is not a time for big deals and seems to generally be a bit of quite period.

[Craig_H]

They'd hardly have been big deals.

You dont think they'd be any use to us - fair enough.

I think we dont know for sure.

[Mattshark]

They'd hardly have been big deals.

You dont think they'd be any use to us - fair enough.

I think we dont know for sure.

That wasn't in reference to Benjani and Beattie.

[Craig_H]

I should hope not!

[BillobShaisley]

Benjani is useless, Beattie could do a job, he quite handy in the air and gets stuck in.

The risks would be :
- Everyone laughs at us and Stevie gets in even more of hump
- It restricts progress for any youngsters, Ngog and Pacheco
- It may or may not upset the dressing room
- It interferes with our style of play just as we're starting to get some understanding again. Now I know we've been pretty **** recently, but not sure now is the time to integrate another new striker. Asprilla at Newcastle is the text book case study of how a good deal on paper can be a disaster for very subtle reasons.