Stoke's Matthew Etherington under pressure to settle huge gambling debts

[dww]

Very educated response there. You do not need to have a Psychology degree to have an opinion on which perspective or theory you believe in the most. The key thing here is opinion. Give me one specific instance where I have "talked ****e" and back up why it is absolutely not true. Given that Psyhcology is not a Science IMO and there is no right or wrong answer, most of it is subjective. Therefore I think you may struggle...

If you categorically refuse to accept that it is a science then you would never accept any argument he puts forward so what is the point.

A lot of science is statistical or at least a lot of the analysis thereof is. I think there is a danger of people getting confused about what is hard to metricise and what is fundamentally not suited to being dealt with in a scientific manner. I think psychology is definitely amenable to the scientific method, unlike for example theology.

[dom9]

Very educated response there. You do not need to have a Psychology degree to have an opinion on which perspective or theory you believe in the most. The key thing here is opinion. Give me one specific instance where I have "talked ****e" and back up why it is absolutely not true. Given that Psyhcology is not a Science IMO and there is no right or wrong answer, most of it is subjective. Therefore I think you may struggle...

Unlike yourself, I'm not pretending to be an expert on the subject matter.

If you have formally studied Psychology, you will know from your assignments that any arguments you make should be quoted directly from research, the trends analysed, and a resulting argument formulated. Conjecture does not have a place at all.

I would wager that you have read zero articles or studies on the subject of addiction. I haven't either. But I am not pretending to be an expert.

[Baracus]

Unlike yourself, I'm not pretending to be an expert on the subject matter.

If you have formally studied Psychology, you will know from your assignments that any arguments you make should be quoted directly from research, the trends analysed, and a resulting argument formulated. Conjecture does not have a place at all.

I would wager that you have read zero articles or studies on the subject of addiction. I haven't either. But I am not pretending to be an expert.

I'm still waiting for scientists to prove with actual proof that evolution theory exists. As it is a hypothesis, any person, give the equipment and method should be able to re-create it, at any place any time. Jibber Jabber.

[Baracus]

and the big bang theory :jibber jabber:

[saj]

Unlike yourself, I'm not pretending to be an expert on the subject matter.

If you have formally studied Psychology, you will know from your assignments that any arguments you make should be quoted directly from research, the trends analysed, and a resulting argument formulated. Conjecture does not have a place at all.

I would wager that you have read zero articles or studies on the subject of addiction. I haven't either. But I am not pretending to be an expert.

And there you have it. I ask you to give an example of where I have "talked ****e" as you say that you have a Psychology degree and therefore are implying that you can prove me wrong due to your degree qualification. But you have not given me a single example or even attempted to prove me wrong even though I have said it's my opinion. Instead you've personally attacked me with a very uneducated response. You must be aware that there are 4 main approaches in Psychology? And you are aware that some contradict each other? And did I make up the nature vs nurture debate too? (FYI there is evidence in the article Shaggy pulled up which implies that it was due to the envroment Etherington was in that he started gambling)

I'm not saying that I'm an expert on Psychology but I have my own opnion of Psychology and it's approaches. I have never for example agreed with any of the Psychoanalytic approach as there is no scientific evidence that backs up Freud's theories - he only has test cases on individuals which he has generalised to everyone.

[Baracus]

a pen has a purpose created by man
food has a purpose
air we breathe has a purpose
our vital organs have a purpose
the sun has a purpose
trees have a purpose
they all do what they have to do with purpose, each carries out its purpose and duty. Without all of them men will cease to exist, man has no relevance in the order of things in the universe.

what is man's purpose:jibber jabber:

[BillobShaisley]

Right, you owe hundreds of thousands of pounds because you gambled it and now you are trying to not pay it off. It isn't "clutching at straws" to suggest that this would be his most obvious defence. Of course he is going to claim to have a problem.

Sorry to be facetious again but anyone that gambles large amounts of money does so because they have no control?

Being an addict is no defence to a legal debt, so your just talking off the top of your head. A court is not the head teachers office, saying sorry I didn't realise is irrelevant. The definition of an addiction is the inability to stop doing something which is damaging or makes you unhappy. He's addicted. Accept taht some people experience things differently to yourself.

Taking your own case or the specific experiences of any individual and extrapolating them to apply to everyone else is what they do at the Daily Mail, taking your own case for a generality. Some people experience things differently as was explained with drinking and other addictions that some people get stuck with and others can take or leave. Its not rocket science or any great conspiracy, you just have to not be a reactionary, knee jerk cock for 5 seconds. It applies in nearly every walk of life.

Any bet taken on credit is unenforcable, whether that applies to spread betting or not i'm not 100%, maybe some other form of legislation applies. So the issue of addiction and debts is no issue at all.

[BillobShaisley]

How do they help to cure people of Heroin addiction? Well they don't give them a miracle pill, they treat give them a prescriptive drug which has simlar effects. This drug (it begins with M, methodone) is in itself highly addictive.

How do people some people stop smoking? Again there is no miracle pill. Some use willpower alone (which is further proof it can be classed as an illness). Others take Nicotine which satisfies the body/mind craving.

But if there is no cure medical cure for these addictions, there is no way they can be categorised as illnesses.

Stop talking boolox you clearly know absolutely nothing about

[BillobShaisley]

By the way, we have engaged in the great nature vs nurture debate that psychologists have been having since time began. I am a firm believer that addictions such as gambling are down to nurture and not down to the genetic makeup of the individual (nature). Therefore, in my eyes it cannot be classed as an illness in the same category as cancer, aids etc. I wouldn't even classify as it as an illness (but all it is, is a category you can call it whatever you want). The OCD I suffer from is down to something that happened to me in my earlier life and not down to a physiolocal abnormality in my brain

Oh you believe so, right well that clears that up. No need to do any of those tests about differing brain activity or hormone production associated with risk taking etc then?

[saj]

Stop talking boolox you clearly know absolutely nothing about

Again, superb response. You don't offer an opinion but you obviously know everything hence the "Stop talking boolox". These personal attacks are amazing - why bother posting on this thread or if you're not going to be civilised? Am I not entitled to my opinion given what I've read and studied in the past?

Oh you believe so, right well that clears that up. No need to do any of those tests about differing brain activity or hormone production associated with risk taking etc then?

They have already done in many tests. But yet there is no medicine that can help to cure gambling addiction. Hmmm, I wonder why?

[Baracus]

i agree with saj to a big extent

there is nuture and nature, addiction is nutured and alot by the society you live in.
you only have to search on the internet for research complied regarding the effects of alcohol on communities who had very little idea of what it was, until it was introduced into their communites, the same with drugs and the same with any game that 'revolves around chance and money' only a few men prosper (gain wealth)

[Chrono]

Being an addict is no defence to a legal debt, so your just talking off the top of your head. A court is not the head teachers office, saying sorry I didn't realise is irrelevant. The definition of an addiction is the inability to stop doing something which is damaging or makes you unhappy. He's addicted. Accept taht some people experience things differently to yourself.

Taking your own case or the specific experiences of any individual and extrapolating them to apply to everyone else is what they do at the Daily Mail, taking your own case for a generality. Some people experience things differently as was explained with drinking and other addictions that some people get stuck with and others can take or leave. Its not rocket science or any great conspiracy, you just have to not be a reactionary, knee jerk cock for 5 seconds. It applies in nearly every walk of life.

Any bet taken on credit is unenforcable, whether that applies to spread betting or not i'm not 100%, maybe some other form of legislation applies. So the issue of addiction and debts is no issue at all.

So basically "Accept that some people experience things differently to yourself" applies to me and not you.

You know he is an addict, you know his specific case and your opinion is right, I get the gist.

And do you know me to be throwing insults about? At least anyone else in this thread that didn't agree with my point of view was capable of putting that across like an adult.

[saj]

i agree with saj to a big extent

there is nuture and nature, addiction is nutured and alot by the society you live in.
you only have to search on the internet for research complied regarding the effects of alcohol on communities who had very little idea of what it was, until it was introduced into their communites, the same with drugs and the same with any game that 'revolves around chance and money' only a few men prosper (gain wealth)

Exactly, good post

[Craig_H]

I think you're getting hung up on definitions.

It's a common disease on this forum.

Only if there's a cure.

[BillobShaisley]

So basically "Accept that some people experience things differently to yourself" applies to me and not you.

You know he is an addict, you know his specific case and your opinion is right, I get the gist.

And do you know me to be throwing insults about? At least anyone else in this thread that didn't agree with my point of view was capable of putting that across like an adult.

I'm not the one saying, my dad has a gamble every now and then and has no problem with it therefore this guy is just a greedy ****. Neither am I talking out of my arse about treatments for other addictions or making wild assumptions about the law or his motivations.

I defined addiction, which clearly includes this example, so whatever my personal experience of gambling or other addictions, I am not trying to use that as any source.

Airy fairy spouting without any evidence or backing isn't worth a detailed response beyond stop talking bollox.