UEFA warning ahead of financial fair play rules

[Rich]

To be honest I need to read up on the rules.

However, UEFA should move quickly to look into the deal to see if its legit and respond even if they technically cannot punish PSG in the short term.

If they truly want their financial fair play system to work then a deal like this cannot be allowed to be waved through.

Has any club ever signed a non-sponsorship agreement for a "vast publicity campaign" intended to promote a third party and has an agreement of this type ever cost a minimum of €600m over four years. I think we know the answer to both questions.

[G]

I was sceptical but Lecter convinced me. I think it will be enforced because those currently taking the piss out of the rules aren't big names in European football and those wanting it enforced are the biggest names going.

As long as United, Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Milan, Juve etc aren't breaking the rules UEFA will find it easy to enforce.

Nobody gives a **** if they kick Man City or PSG out of the Champions League, not big enough names for it to make a difference.

[Neil Young]

The logic of the argument is beguiling but the reality is likely to be a lot messier than that. Things change over time, small clubs become big and big clubs become small. The big clubs you mention aren't really interested in the rules being enforced for their own sake, they just want to guarantee their own continued financial success and security. The up-and-coming nouveaux riches might just find a way to accommodate that and still benefit from financial doping.

I can see there might be some manoeuvring to be done with and between the governing bodies though. There's a perpetual turf war between UEFA and FIFA and where exactly is FIFA's 2022 world cup to be held?

[G]

It will be some time and many years of consistent trophy winning before either Man city or PSG can mentioned among the greats of Europe.Even Chelsea nowhere near yet IMO.

In the meantime I'm sure the others are interested in the rules being enforced,whatever the reason, because with the exception of Bayern most of those clubs have spending issues for one reason or another and they need UEFA to stop them getting left behind.United also one of the driving forces behind wanting similar rules established in the Premier league because they know it will always be difficult to compete without it.

If United ever get rid of the glazers their spending power will be unrivalled across Europe,but until then I'd say they are very interested in seeing UEFA keep PSG,Anzhi and Man City et al in line.

If City and PSG thought the rules were likely to be hogwash they wouldn't be inventing massive deals with related groups who pay them way above the odds for sponsorship and 'publicity campaigns'

[G]

****,just realised I'm not agreeing with you again.

Won't happen again

You are of course correct in everything you say

[Fivex]

I know what you're saying. I was thinking it'll be driven by the demand for viewing figures/advertising revenue as much as the prestige and trophy count. If the top 10 players in the world end up at PSG on £20m/yr contracts then I can't see the sponsors being too happy if the cream team aren't allowed in the competition?

Then again it'd still be the premium competition, and PSG would have no choice but to toe the line.

They'd be out on a limb either way.

[G]

I know what you're saying. I was thinking it'll be driven by the demand for viewing figures/advertising revenue as much as the prestige and trophy count. If the top 10 players in the world end up at PSG on £20m/yr contracts then I can't see the sponsors being too happy if the cream team aren't allowed in the competition?

Then again it'd still be the premium competition, and PSG would have no choice but to toe the line.

They'd be out on a limb either way.

Yeah fair point, it will be far from straight forward for them, but I think they'll have to enforce it or face threats from those who don't have wealthy owners.

The European super league will rear its head again to force the issue.

[Fivex]

Yes, that last bit is the ace in the deck.

Top level football will be far better off ditching this corrupt cluster of governing bumholes and everyone knows it.

[ChesterDave]

Performance bonus in Europe? They cant even win in ****ing France.

[Neil Young]

It will be some time and many years of consistent trophy winning before either Man city or PSG can mentioned among the greats of Europe.Even Chelsea nowhere near yet IMO.

In the meantime I'm sure the others are interested in the rules being enforced,whatever the reason, because with the exception of Bayern most of those clubs have spending issues for one reason or another and they need UEFA to stop them getting left behind.United also one of the driving forces behind wanting similar rules established in the Premier league because they know it will always be difficult to compete without it.

If United ever get rid of the glazers their spending power will be unrivalled across Europe,but until then I'd say they are very interested in seeing UEFA keep PSG,Anzhi and Man City et al in line.

If City and PSG thought the rules were likely to be hogwash they wouldn't be inventing massive deals with related groups who pay them way above the odds for sponsorship and 'publicity campaigns'

Of course they have to appear to play by the rules. The question is whether the rules will be enforced in a meaningful way.

Man City, Chelsea and PSG, not to mention Russian clubs, are big clubs because of the money they have, not the trophies they won in the last century. The one feeds the other but history is not everything, as we are finding to our cost.

Besides, Man City are current English champions and Chelsea are current European champions. Their influence is weakened by their early exits from the current Champions League, not because they haven't got much history in the competition.

****,just realised I'm not agreeing with you again.

Won't happen again

You are of course correct in everything you say

I know what you're saying. I was thinking it'll be driven by the demand for viewing figures/advertising revenue as much as the prestige and trophy count. If the top 10 players in the world end up at PSG on £20m/yr contracts then I can't see the sponsors being too happy if the cream team aren't allowed in the competition?

Then again it'd still be the premium competition, and PSG would have no choice but to toe the line.

They'd be out on a limb either way.

I agree television ratings and club profile are an essential component. History is an influence on that but it's not the only thing.

It's about power. The newly rich clubs don't have as much power and influence as the likes of Man United, Bayern, Madrid and Milan but they can't just be treated as "plebs" by the football authorities at the behest of the long-established elite clubs.

FFP will happen. But my guess is it will be enforced messily, half-heartedly and with a lot of backroom deals and it won't be as effective as we (and FSG) would like.

If you want to see how power corrupts an international governing body, look at the UCI. We all know what they chose to turn a blind eye to.

[G]

Your absolutely right there Neil.

I totally agree

[Vermilion]

I see Malaga have been banned from european football for one year, and another if they don't pay their outstanding bills and wages.

Edit:

UEFA has banned Malaga from European club competitions for one season.

Malaga have been banned from all UEFA club competitions for one season due to outstanding debts.

The Spanish outfit is one of nine clubs to have had sanctions levied against them following a meeting of UEFA's Club Financial Control Body.

Manuel Pellegrini's side will be prevented from entering the next European competition they qualify for and could face a further season's absence unless the club settles its debts.

Malaga, who are due to face Porto in the last 16 of this season's Champions League, have also been fined £244,000 for breaching UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations.

A statement on the UEFA website read: "Malaga is excluded from participating in the next UEFA club competition for which it would otherwise qualify in the next four seasons (i.e. 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2016/17).

"In addition, Malaga will be excluded from a subsequent UEFA competition for which it would otherwise qualify (in the next four seasons) if it does not prove, by 31 March 2013, that it has no overdue payables towards football clubs or towards employees and/or social/tax authorities."

Five clubs are facing a three-year exclusion unless they can settle their outstanding debts by 31 March; Croatia's Hadjuk Split and Osijek, Rapid Bucharest and Dynamo Bucharest of Romania and Serbian side Partizan Belgrade.

Another Serbian club, Vojvodina, and Ukrainian side Arsenal Kiev were handed fines while a case against Polish side Lech Poznan was dropped.

http://www1.skysports.com/news/12040/8349487/

[Assassin]

Any decent players worth poaching here?

[RichC]

Isco

[ChesterDave]

Financial penalties for going into debt