Paul Scholes retires from football!

[PTP]

i missed him out on purpose as to not appear biased....

the point is - whilst nothing against scholes, he was a very good player - i could name with ease, with no real bias and hardly any thought, 10 players better than scholes in his 'era' that i can't see any valid debate in favour of scholes against them.

i could go on, and add the likes of Zola, Shearer, Keane, Bergkamp, Viera, Maldini etc who could be argued we as good/if not better. - and i'm not even mentioning the likes of Gullit, Baresi, Weah, Best, Dalglish, Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Van Basten - the list could go on...


this isn't a bash at scholes - just a bash at the unreal ott reaction for him retiring he was a good pplayer, and admiration is high especially from fellow pros because he was talented, quiet and well liked but in 5 years time....when you draw a list of top 10 players, top 20 players, top 50 players etc - scholes will be long forgoten i reckon

[Imy]

i missed him out on purpose as to not appear biased....

the point is - whilst nothing against scholes, he was a very good player - i could name with ease, with no real bias and hardly any thought, 10 players better than scholes in his 'era' that i can't see any valid debate in favour of scholes against them.

i could go on, and add the likes of Zola, Shearer, Keane, Bergkamp, Viera, Maldini etc who could be argued we as good/if not better. - and i'm not even mentioning the likes of Gullit, Baresi, Weah, Best, Dalglish, Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Van Basten - the list could go on...


this isn't a bash at scholes - just a bash at the unreal ott reaction for him retiring he was a good pplayer, and admiration is high especially from fellow pros because he was talented, quiet and well liked but in 5 years time....when you draw a list of top 10 players, top 20 players, top 50 players etc - scholes will be long forgoten i reckon

The reaction has been well OTT, I never like the ginger cunt - thought he was well over rated and the whole typical Scholes tackle thing was a ****ing joke.

**** him.

[dww]

-****ing hell when he got brought on i pissed myself and said to my mate, thats it - the mancs have conceded this and are given scholes a farewell.

granted he had a great career - but he has been so **** the last few years it's been well, a bit unfair and embarrasing for him

zidane
messi
ronaldo
cristiano ronaldo
xavi
iniesta
henry
giggs
ronaldinho
figo


right....that's no thought put into, just off the top of my head....10 players better than scholes since scholes made his debut

I honestly think that is complete crap. This season was by far his weakest but he has run some games almost single handedly in the last couple of seasons.

I'm not sure that I wouldn't put him above Giggs to be honest.

[Neil Young]

Truly we will never see his like again.





Unless Wilshere develops as expected.

[saj]

I don't think many will agree with this but Xabi Alonso for me is a much better player than Scholes ever was. Xabi was more the more complete midfielder of the two as he could actually tackle.

I believe I could name at least 50 players better than Scholes since he made his debut:

Viera
Keane
Gerrard
Lampard (open to debate)
Ronaldinho
Ronaldo
Rivaldo
Dildo
Henry
Hyypia
Zola
Bergkamp
Ruud van Horseface
Raul
Zidane
Nedved
Riquelme
Cristiano Ronaldo
Iniesta
Xavi
David Villa
Messi
Eto'o
Totti
Del Piero
Roberto Baggio
Figo


**** me, the list is endless I have to stop!!! What a joke. He's not the player the world is making him out to be - yes he was good. He's done **** all for the last 5 years - bloody ginger nut.

If he was that good, why has he never been in the runnng for European/World player of the year?

[McDermotX]

Truly we will never see his like again.





Unless Wilshere develops as expected.

Well Jack goes into every challenge he makes with his studs showing (poor technique, malicious, or just a by-product of his bandy legedness......take your pick)
So he's well on the way to emulating Scholes

[BigChief]

If he was that good, why has he never been in the runnng for European/World player of the year?

Because Beckham used to win it every year for marrying Posh Spice. At least that's how I seem to remember events at the time.

[McDermotX]

.......
**** me, the list is endless I have to stop!!! What a joke. He's not the player the world is making him out to be - yes he was good. He's done **** all for the last 5 years - bloody ginger nut.

If he was that good, why has he never been in the runnng for European/World player of the year?

In fairness, his delivery on the international stage was mediocre at its best (regardless on any mitigating circumstances around England selection policy).
Good player, very good in fact, but is as far from being considered a world great as a lot of very good players out there.
Never mind the fact that the lad was finished a few seasons back...........still, he kept his mouth shut, rarely ever gave less than his best, and came across as a decent individual. Lot of young players out there would be well advised to follow his example.

[Exiled_red]

I can't believe the people* who are saying Messi can't be considered one of the best ever until he wins the world cup are lauding so much praise on Scholes for being 'one of the best'. Does the same not apply to English players or is it just Man Utd players?


* people in general not necessarily on here

[Neil Young]

I think people who claim that about Messi are questioning whether he has proved himself to be one of the best players the world has ever seen, i.e. alongside Pele, Maradona, Hunt , etc. I think it's wrong and unnecessarily mean-spirited but at least it's an arguable point of view.

Has anyone sensible (i.e. not someone to do with Manchester United) suggested Scholes is one of the best players of all time? Surely no one is that stupid.

[Kenneth]

Messi is too young and has done it for too few years to be regarded as on a par with the like of Pele. Yet.

Scholes has been doing it long enough to conclude that he doesn't belong in that bracket.

[Shaggy]

I saw a Twitter conversation when someone asked if Scholes at his peak would get in the current Barca side.

Nearly everyone who responded said yes ...and that he'd replace INIESTA!

[PTP]

deary me - ****ing iniesta!!!

[Neil Young]

Messi is too young and has done it for too few years to be regarded as on a par with the like of Pele. Yet.

Scholes has been doing it long enough to conclude that he doesn't belong in that bracket.

Agree about Scholes. And of course Messi needs to do it over a longer time than he has so far. But if he carries on at the same level for, say, another five or more years, then surely he's there, even if he doesn't win the world cup.

I saw a Twitter conversation when someone asked if Scholes at his peak would get in the current Barca side.

Nearly everyone who responded said yes ...and that he'd replace INIESTA!

It's so pathetically one-eyed. Even the hagiographers on 5Live yesterday were saying he'd be on the bench given Barca's first choice midfield three.

[Baracus]

I saw a Twitter conversation when someone asked if Scholes at his peak would get in the current Barca side.

Nearly everyone who responded said yes ...and that he'd replace INIESTA!

Iniesta completes Barca.

They only comparison you make possibly make with scholes is how pale they are.