Arsenal

[Imy]

At the end of the day I don't really care who the manager is. All I care about as a fan is winning silverware. In the case of Arsenal they dont win anything and constantly finish 4th/3rd.

I hate the mentality that 4th or top 4 is an achievement. Its not. Its 4th best in the league.

'nah nah nah, i'm not listening'

[Alex]

Id rather both. But what is the point of being in the Champions League if we are not within a chance of winning it. Just making up the numbers then.

Ignoring the financial side of things. Also since how long have we as a group of fans been so interested in the money side of the game.

[Gibbo]

Id rather both. But what is the point of being in the Champions League if we are not within a chance of winning it. Just making up the numbers then.

Ignoring the financial side of things. Also since how long have we as a group of fans been so interested in the money side of the game.

Sat well and truly on the fence there.

I understand what you mean to an extent, but there is a reason that the Champions League is seen as a target for teams, it's because it allows you to attract a higher calibre of player, which in turn will win your trophies.

Obviously, I would like us to win trophies, but if you offered me the league cup or the CL at the start of the season I'd pick the CL.

Oh and 2005 shows, no matter the team there is always a chance of winning the CL.

[Mattshark]

At the end of the day I don't really care who the manager is. All I care about as a fan is winning silverware. In the case of Arsenal they dont win anything and constantly finish 4th/3rd.

I hate the mentality that 4th or top 4 is an achievement. Its not. Its 4th best in the league.

Playing in the champions league means far more to players than playing in the league cup though. It may mean more to you, it doesn't to clubs or players.

[Imy]

Id rather both. But what is the point of being in the Champions League if we are not within a chance of winning it. Just making up the numbers then.

Ignoring the financial side of things. Also since how long have we as a group of fans been so interested in the money side of the game.

It's difficult one, i agree that 'we' (LFC) exist to win trophies.
BUT i really want to see us win the league (again) and the only way we'll be able to do that is via a better class of players (and possibly manager), players/managers which are normally attracted either by (a) money (b) CL footie.

[Alex]

I get everyones views on it.

I just prefer to win something like the league cup, than get knocked out at the 1/4 final phase of the Champions League.

I support the team to win stuff at the end of the day. Thats what means the most to me.

[-V-]

This thread is about Arsenal and Arsene Wenger. Although they are regulars in the champions league they are a million miles away from winning it and they have not won a trophy in about 8 years. I can't see how that is acceptable to a club that has had so much stability. I think Wenger is doing pretty poorly now

Our situation is different as we have had tons of instability and financial issues and desperately need to get back into CL

[Bender]

[cream]

I wonder who'll buy Wiltshire this summer???

[Leyton388]

He'll end up at the mancs you can put your house on that.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

He seems to be pretty loyal towards them in everything he says, wouldn't surprise me to see him stay for a while.

[Bender]

He'll end up at the mancs you can put your house on that.

yeah said this to an Arsenal supporter at work

[Alex]

Think it'll be it for Wenger in the summer if he misses out on top 4.

[Gibbo]

I don't think Wilshere will go anywhere, he'll be their Gerrard.

[Chazza]