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    Oliver Holt on Rio Ferdinand: Why sickening chants show race hate is still part of our game


    Here are a few lyrics for you.

    They were sung by England fans at the Stadio Olimpico in San Marino on Friday night.

    Build a bonfire, build a bonfire

    Put Rio on the top

    Put Anton in the middle

    Then burn the f****** lot

    Adapted originally, I believe, from a children’s song that involved chestnuts and sausages.

    Further adapted from a Manchester United song that substituted Scousers for chestnuts. And now used for this.

    Used to bait two brothers for having the temerity to seek redress for what they believed to be a racist tirade.

    Used to show that certain groups have not forgiven Rio and Anton Ferdinand for their part in the trial of John Terry.

    Used, unwittingly, to show that the problems that blighted English football last season have not gone away.

    Let’s be blunt about this: groups of white men singing about burning two black men on a bonfire is repulsive. There are echoes of the Deep South that conjure images of lynchings.

    Yet we ignore it. We turn away. We pretend we didn’t hear it.

    We dismiss it as ‘banter’, the new catch-all phrase that seeks to justify vile personal abuse.



    Ulterior motive: Chants were about more than Rio Ferdinand's decision to withdraw


    We ignore it, I suppose, because it is deeply embarrassing when English fans are chanting that kind of filth about English players. Or anyone.

    We ignore it because we hope it will just go away. The evidence suggests that it won’t.

    Rio had already taken plenty of stick from the supporters who had travelled to the little northern Italian republic for the game.

    But this was about more than just his questionable decision to withdraw from the England squad and then fly to Qatar and appear as a pundit for Al Jazeera.

    That was just an excuse to sing what some of them really wanted to sing. And they took it greedily.

    There was not much doubt what they were getting at.

    It was about a lot more than Rio’s pre-planned fitness regime and the trip to Doha. Otherwise, why bring Anton Ferdinand into it as well? Anton wasn’t in the England squad. He had nothing to do with Rio’s decision to pull out.

    He was, though, the target of Terry’s verbal attack at Loftus Road in October 2011, which eventually earned the Chelsea skipper a four-match ban.

    He was also, in case you've forgotten, sent a bullet through the post . And generally vilified.

    But after Terry was banned, everything was supposed to have gone back to normal. Everything was supposed to have been soothed away. English football forgot it had problems.

    Attention turned, conveniently, to the appalling behaviour of Serbian fans who abused England Under-21 players during a match in Krusevac last October.

    No great shakes: Anton Ferdinand is still being vilified for the Terry race row
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    And to Kevin-Prince Boateng walking off the pitch after being abused by fans of Pro Patria in January while he was playing for AC Milan.

    Boateng was fated for his action, even by Fifa president Sepp Blatter , who had previously advocated a hand-shake to resolve such issues.

    “I’m convinced it would be a fatal error to believe we can fight racism by ignoring it and hoping that it’ll go away like a headache,” Boateng said last week.

    Yet there has barely been a mention of England fans and their songs about the Ferdinand brothers.

    The FA decided that repeated chants of “Rio Ferdinand, we know what you are” at the Stadio Olimpico had no racial connotations.

    That is despite the fact that that particular chant, first aimed at Anton, originated among Chelsea supporters as a sign of support for Terry.

    So let’s not kid ourselves about what was being sung in San Marino. Let’s not gloss it over.

    If we complain about it happening in other countries, we must not turn a blind eye when our own supporters sing racially abusive chants too.

    Speaking out: Boateng has addressed the United nations about racism
    Harold Cunningham - FIFA
    Perhaps, in practical terms, it would be hard to track down the San Marino culprits. The Stadio Olimpico did not look like the kind of place that was big on CCTV.

    Perhaps, if the authorities went after the morons singing ‘build a bonfire’, they might have to go after other supporters too.

    Because the atmosphere in San Marino, even though England won 8-0 and there were few opposition fans, was ugly.

    The chanting of ‘No Surrender to the IRA’, a verse associated with the National Front and Combat 18, got louder throughout the game.

    That also seems to be ignored these days, as we slip back towards congratulating ourselves on how much progress we have made.

    Perhaps instead of bleating about Ferdinand missing the games against San Marino and Montenegro, we should think for a second. We should ponder whether he might just have made the right choice picking Doha ahead of a stadium spewing poison about him.

    Then we should ask ourselves why, when his country’s fans are chanting about burning him and his brother, Ferdinand would ever want to play for England again.
    I sometimes quite like Ollie Holt, but I think he has got it wrong here. I may be being naive, but I assume Anton's name was used because it fit for the song? Might be wrong. I hope thats the case though.
    *Except Michael, who died.

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      Oliver Holt shouldn't be taking the moral high ground as for a period of time he actually tried to defend the comments Terry made to Anton. I used to quite like him as a journalist. He used to be pretty balanced. But his reporting on the whole Suarez, Terry and the alleged racist comment by an LFC fan lost him all credibility

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        Chelsea fans?

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          I think he's right. The chanting of anti-IRA slogans shows the England support has been penetrated by the far right.

          And yes, I think you're being way too generous and optimistic.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



          May the Lord bless this post.

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            Thinking about it properly I probably am. It depresses me. The IRA stuff was weird. I remember it from the 90s. I vividly remember the game that got called off in 94/95. I thought all of that was behind us.
            *Except Michael, who died.

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              Originally posted by Sarb View Post
              Oliver Holt shouldn't be taking the moral high ground as for a period of time he actually tried to defend the comments Terry made to Anton. I used to quite like him as a journalist. He used to be pretty balanced. But his reporting on the whole Suarez, Terry and the alleged racist comment by an LFC fan lost him all credibility
              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                Originally posted by Alex View Post
                Thinking about it properly I probably am. It depresses me. The IRA stuff was weird. I remember it from the 90s. I vividly remember the game that got called off in 94/95. I thought all of that was behind us.
                'Us' as in football? Or as in England? If the latter then the rise of the EDL says otherwise.

                It is depressing though.
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                May the Lord bless this post.

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                  Originally posted by Sarb View Post
                  Oliver Holt shouldn't be taking the moral high ground as for a period of time he actually tried to defend the comments Terry made to Anton. I used to quite like him as a journalist. He used to be pretty balanced. But his reporting on the whole Suarez, Terry and the alleged racist comment by an LFC fan lost him all credibility
                  I don't remember the comments but he could have been wrong then but right now, couldn't he? Maybe he's even changed his position.

                  But even if not, it's hard not to take the moral high ground when talking about England fans! Frankly anyone in the media that calls them out on stuff like this is doing a public service.
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                  Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                  May the Lord bless this post.

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                    US as a country. But football is always a reflection on society. So I tend not to split them.
                    *Except Michael, who died.

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                      It is but that doesn't mean football hasn't got its own specific manifestations for each wider social ill. Too often that's used as an excuse for not addressing issues. Although maybe racism is the one area where English football has made its most determined, if incomplete and at times conflicting, efforts.

                      I don't know what the FA's attitude is to anti-IRA chants from among its England fan club members.
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                      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                      May the Lord bless this post.

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                        ‘No Surrender to the IRA’? What decade are these numbskulls living in?
                        Oh I don't know.

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                          I generally dislike the stereotyping of England fans (that you get on here a lot for example) as the "Ingerlund" mob, but it seems that, certainly in the case of the travelling fans, that is actually pretty accurate.

                          Racist, Neanderthal cretins. I do feel sorry for the genuine travelling fans who don't involve themselves with this (which I'm sure there are some of!). But unfortunately they are getting drowned out.

                          All in all, another reason to not care about the England football team.

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                            Conversely England home games are a family affair. You very rarely see groups of blokes at Wembley.
                            *Except Michael, who died.

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                              There's a core of away "support" that England gets that would love to return to the bad old days of the 80's. I know a large number of people who go to England away games that are proud card carrying members of the NF (and probably the EDL too).

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                                Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere but it seems an official complaint has now been made:
                                http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21970903

                                England fans reported for 'racist abuse' of Ferdinand brothers

                                Football anti-racism network Fare has filed a complaint to Fifa over alleged racist chanting by England fans during the 8-0 win over San Marino.

                                The chanting was said to be directed towards Rio Ferdinand, who pulled out of the England squad, and his brother Anton Ferdinand.

                                Fare executive director Piara Power said: "I personally think there was an undercurrent of race there.

                                "Other people have thought that it has been imbued with racist overtones."

                                The Football Association said it would not comment while it was awaiting notification from Fare about its report to the sport's world governing body.

                                Power added: "Although we did not have observers at the match we have pulled together evidence sent to us including media comment and have passed that on to Fifa.

                                "Whether Fifa think that is strong enough to take action is another question entirely and we accept that it is certainly an unusual report."

                                The network, Football Against Racism in Europe, is a group of organisations from several European countries which has worked with Fifa and European governing body Uefa to eradicate discrimination in football.

                                Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand was called up into the England squad for the first time since 2011, but then withdrew stating that he had a "pre-planned programme". It was then reported that the 34-year-old would be travelling to Qatar to work as a television pundit covering the game in San Marino.

                                England went on to thrash the minnows in Serraville, before travelling to Montenegro, where they were held to a 1-1 draw by the Group H leaders.

                                England coach Roy Hodgson said after the first qualifier that he had heard the abuse, adding: "I'm not deaf. But I've absolutely no comment to make on it."

                                Meanwhile, Uefa has again encouraged referees to halt matches if officials are aware of any racism.

                                The executive committee said it "recommends and fully supports referees to stop matches in cases of racism and calls on national associations and leagues to do the same" in a resolution drawn up by the Professional Football Strategy Council (PFSC) and ratified on Thursday.

                                Uefa also called "on the players and coaches - namely those with most influence on the perpetrators of racist acts - to speak out, even if this may mean criticising their own fans or players."
                                The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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