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I am anti-IRA but I am certainly not far right.Those that hid Anne Frank were breaking the law.
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It's not the sentiment, it's the chant. It's a Unionist and/or Loyalist slogan from Northern Ireland that has been taken up by the English far right.
What possible reason is there for singing it at England versus Montenegro or San Marino football match in 2013?Last edited by Neil Young; 29-03-13, 12:17 AM..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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I heard somewhere that Hodgson said he heard the chants but had no opinion/view on them. He is pretty much out of order to be honest. I would hazard a guess that it was his choice to pick Terry in the Euros too and he had no problem with what Terry had said.
Kenny got pelters for sticking up for Suarez. Nothing is mentioned when Hodgson is turning a blind eye to blatant racismComment
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Is it blatant racism, or is it just a song about someone who turned his back on England and his skin colour is not even part of the equation?
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I'm afraid it does look that way.Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
Although some of the fans singing it may have had no idea, the reason someone or a group of people started singing it seems obvious.
Either that or it's a terrible coincidence, which i doubt.
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It has to be the inclusion of Anton in there that brings the question up, the song itself and featuring Rio and any other player I don't think there is a racial element to it.Originally posted by Scratch View Post
Set against the background of Rio and Anton Ferdinand against Terry in the racism row you have to wonder. I mean if we're honest at no other point has Anton Ferdinand even appeared on the radar of England fans. I've heard people say his name was included because it fit the song, maybe that's the case maybe not, but if it is it was a careless choice as it opened up this issue for discussion...The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.Comment
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/f...070922181.html
England may have to play in empty Wembley
England face the prospect of playing their next World Cup qualifier in an empty Wembley Stadium, according to a report in The Times.
Eurosport – 5 hours ago
A group of England fans was reported for racist chanting during the match against San Marino last Friday, with the supporters apparently singing that Rio and Anton Ferdinand "should be burnt on a bonfire."
UEFA have become tougher on racism of late, with the organisation announcing on Thursday that they will support referees who halt games when there are racist incidents.
And The Times suggests that UEFA will have little option but to dish out a similar punishment to that given to Hungary and Bulgaria for their fans making anti-semitic chants and monkey chants respectively in recent games. Both were ordered to play subsequent matches behind closed doors.
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Were they for first offences too?Football without Origi is nothingComment
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It's hard to know which is more stupid - the racial abuse or getting yourselves banned for abusing your own players..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.Comment
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Yep!Originally posted by Scratch View Post
His colour doesn't come into it. They are abusing Rio because he turned his back on England, his brother just happens to fit the chant.
Funny how no one cared when Mancs sang this about Scousers and City fans.
This smacks of blatant opportunism by the loony side of the anti racist faction. I mean Piara Powar is part of this, that should tell us something....Are you the Judean People's Front?Comment
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And how is singing songs about an organisation that blew up innocent people to further it's cause racist?
I don't like the song itself and yes some of the far right started it, but racist? No chance. It's as racist as some of the rebel songs.Are you the Judean People's Front?Comment
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How can there be a Loony side of an anti racism campaign? All racism is bad. However minor.*Except Michael, who died.Comment
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Is that the case though? As I mentioned previously the song itself isn't racist, fans of most clubs in the country sing this song about rival teams/players etc. I think the issue which brought Rio into this is obviously the decision not to play for England in those games, the question is what motivated Anton Ferdinand's inclusion? If as you suggest it is because the name fits that seems like a perfectly innocent explanation, however if it is because of Rio and Anton Ferdinand's recent issues with John Terry then there is a problem. I guess the only people who really know what motivated it are the people who started the chant.Originally posted by Spionkop69 View Post
Personally I think it should be impossible for the authorities to determine one way or another, so they shouldn't be able to take any action. This does however raise a question about chants and fans reactions to players, if a player is booed by the fans of a club for whatever reason (leaving on bad terms, playing badly for international team, something in a previous game etc) are all these incidents going to be reported/investigated if the player involved is of a certain racial group? And who can determine what initiates a chant? Obviously some incidents are blatently racist (eg monkey chants etc), I worry that mislabelling incidents as racist when they aren't could cause alot of problems and do damage to alot of reputations. Obviously we want to remove racism from the game but treating every incident involving players from particular racial groups as racist incidents until proven otherwise clearly isn't the right thing to do.Last edited by Exiled_red; 29-03-13, 04:56 PM.The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.Comment
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I'd rather be thought a loony anti-racist than end up being an apologist for fascists and racists.
Like f*ck the words "Anton" and "Ferdinand" just happened to fit the chant. It's taking the side of the racist in a dispute and describing burning a couple of black men. If you can't see the racist subtext then you're kidding yourself..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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