Racism in Football

[Norbs]

as is the word 'black' when used in the same context.
I'm asking why the P word is racist, whereas black, Turk, Brit, whatever else isn't?

You know why it's racist. It's never used in a positive manner, and always used by racists in Britain.

Playing devil's advocate here, seeing that you didn't/don't consider it racist, do you use the term? If so, what sort of reaction do you get when you say it to people you presume are from Pakistan?

[Norbs]

i dont hear the word alot but the one that shocked me most was an Indian bloke i worked with saying it.

whilst he probably was using to mean people from Pakistan I dont think it was meant as a compliment.

Indian people have it in them to be racist too, CJ. Did you ask him why he used it and try to draw a comparison?

[EwarWoo]

Alf Garnet

alf garnett was 1 giant pisstake poking fun at the racists.

He was designed to become a figure of ridicule in the hope that it would make racism seem ridiculous. It was very political and forward for its time. They just didn't count on how dumb the average racist is and it backfired.

Warran Mitchell himself was a 2nd generation Russian Jewish immigrant.

So whilst in a way the show is racist, there's much more to it.

[red g]

alf garnett was 1 giant pisstake poking fun at the racists.

He was designed to become a figure of ridicule in the hope that it would make racism seem ridiculous. It was very political and forward for its time. They just didn't count on how dumb the average racist is and it backfired.

Warran Mitchell himself was a 2nd generation Russian Jewish immigrant.

So whilst in a way the show is racist, there's much more to it.

really? i never heard that before

[baitman]

anyone remember this...

love thy neighbour...

http://youtu.be/9j6l7Va-C7E

[Johnny H]

You know why it's racist. It's never used in a positive manner, and always used by racists in Britain.

Playing devil's advocate here, seeing that you didn't/don't consider it racist, do you use the term? If so, what sort of reaction do you get when you say it to people you presume are from Pakistan?

i presume that you haven't read all of my posts on this matter.
I did not say that I don't consider it racist, what I said, playing Devil's advocate, was how come it is deemed racist when it could be used to describe a Pakistani, and qualified my question by including other words that are entirely innocent eg black.
maybe this should be in the discussion forum.

[baitman]

maybe this should be in the discussion forum.

racism thread, seperate from the footy racist issues.

[Red_Polo]

Eh? Is the n word not used to describe a black person? It's just that it happens to be an obnoxious racist way of doing so, much like P*** can be to South Asians. You haven't been able to fundamentally differentiate the two words from that pov.

[Norbs]

i presume that you haven't read all of my posts on this matter.
I did not say that I don't consider it racist, what I said, playing Devil's advocate, was how come it is deemed racist when it could be used to describe a Pakistani, and qualified my question by including other words that are entirely innocent eg black.
maybe this should be in the discussion forum.

The closest parallel I can think of is like 'Spic' is to Hispanic people. Neither term is defendable, both are derogatory and therefore racist slurs designed to offend the person on the receiving end.

[Neil Young]

It's not really short for Pakistani either. Ok, words change over time but in this country at least it's long had a history as a derogative and, to my knowledge, has never really been used affectionately.

[saj]

It's not really short for Pakistani either. Ok, words change over time but in this country at least it's long had a history as a derogative and, to my knowledge, has never really been used affectionately.

It has. It was actually in the Oxford dictionary in the 1960's. It became a racial term over time

[Chazza]

Paul Elliott: FA accepts resignation after racism row

Football Association ambassador Paul Elliott has resigned from all roles representing the organisation following reports of a racism row.

The anti-racism campaigner, 48, was part of the FA's judicial panel and a nominated member of Uefa committees.

Ex-Celtic and Chelsea defender Elliott has also left his role at anti-discrimination body Kick It Out.

FA chairman David Bernstein said: "The use of discriminatory language is unacceptable, regardless of context."

He added: "It has made Paul's position untenable.

"I wish to thank Paul for his dedicated and unstinting work, particularly in the area of anti-racism.

"I am saddened by this turn of events and it is with regret that we accept Paul's resignation."

A report in the Sun newspaper alleged Elliott had a dispute by text message over a business venture with former Charlton player Richard Rufus.
Elliott was reported to have used a derogatory term.

A statement from Elliott read: "Earlier this week, a former friend and business colleague, made public a text message I sent him, in which I used a term which is widely known as being derogatory to my own community.

"I regret using it; it is inappropriate and not part of my everyday vocabulary. As an advocate of high-standards of public behaviour, and integrity in public life, I know the use of this word sends out mixed messages and contradicts my position as a Kick It Out trustee.

"I will continue to be active in other projects in what I believe to be a true and just cause."

Earlier this month, Elliott became the first black footballer to collect a CBE at Buckingham Palace for his services to equality and diversity in football.

Elliott, whose career was curtailed by injury in 1992, has been a trustee of Kick It Out since 1996.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21559781

The same Paul Elliott who said this....

Suárez has to understand things that may be acceptable in his native country may not necessarily be acceptable here

[Tee]

Hypocritical *******. Someone needs to remind him if that.

[Neil Young]

It has. It was actually in the Oxford dictionary in the 1960's. It became a racial term over time

Really? I'd very much like to see that entry.

I'd also like to know how it fits chronologically with UK population changes involving people of south Asian origin. I'd guess it predates the large-scale immigration from some parts of south Asia at least (e.g. perhaps East Pakistan/Bangladesh) and people of south Asian origin from elsewhere (e.g. definitely from Uganda).

And it's fifty years ago. I mean, maybe the N-word has been used without pejorative intent at some time in the past - given its etymology I'd imagine that's likely enough - but no one in Great Britain hears it that way now or is ignorant of its connotations.

[Neil Young]

The same Paul Elliott who said this....

Suárez has to understand things that may be acceptable in his native country may not necessarily be acceptable here

He was right about that though. And his actions are consistent with it.