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    Why not? They've essentially done the exact same thing.

    Jose actually arguably did better to win the CL with both Porto and Inter.

    They are both very good managers, and Jose is far from ordinary.
    The times they are a changin'.

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      Originally posted by Gibbo View Post
      Why not? They've essentially done the exact same thing.

      Jose actually arguably did better to win the CL with both Porto and Inter.

      They are both very good managers, and Jose is far from ordinary.
      Pep gets on with, the other, well you know the story..........

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        Originally posted by Nigey View Post
        He's not that great. His remit was to win the CL with Real and he failed.
        Regardless if you hate the man or not, he is one of the best managers in the world and has won things in every country he's managed.

        Saying he's not that great when he's won domestic titles in 4 different countries, the Champions League twice, a host of other cups & manager & coach of the year several times....frankly is a bit ridiculous.

        Love him or hate, you have to give him his dues.. he is a top manager.

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          I think it's clear that Maureen is desperate to get back to CFC, but Abramovich, not so keen

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            Don't think it's really either/or between how great of a manager or how much of a cunt he is - he's both.
            Felching ≠ Gerbilling

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              He is basically old news, like flairs, he is no longer in fashion!

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                Only surprise about Mourinho's return is people think it's a good idea

                Just as Mourinho brings out the worst in English football, so its slavering attention brings out the worst in him

                Barney Ronay
                Barney Ronay

                The Guardian, Friday 3 May 2013 19.27 BST
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                Oh no. Oh no, please. Are we really going to do this again? Perhaps there is still a flicker of hope. Maybe this is just a minor outbreak, something that can be contained and extinguished by stern, space-suited men in governmental helicopters. Or just a brief resurfacing of the theory of Premier League orbital resonance, a school of thought which states that beneath everything that ever happens in English football, every goal, every red-card furore, there is a never ending conversation about José Mourinho going on all around us.

                Allow everything else to fade away and you might just catch it, the hidden music of the sphere, an unceasing Mourinho waffle-feed just waiting to emerge into the briefest hiatus in the rolling Premier League news-gargle.

                And yet it feels as though the battle is already lost, that the debate about whether Mourinho might be coming back to England is now basically over. Mainly because he's already here, hiding in plain sight, our own reptilian Illuminati overlord cranking levers and throwing switches behind his pleated curtain. In fact the only really surprising thing about all this is that pretty much everybody seems to think it's a good idea.

                Witness, for example, the degree of outrage over ITV cutting short its broadcast of Mourinho's prepared self-promotional speech after Real Madrid's Champions League exit in midweek, the best part of which was the spectacle of his premature eviction from the screen, the look of shock on his face at finding himself led away by the wrist, suddenly meek and helpless, like a grandmother caught shoplifting. But you knew this wasn't over and Mourinho duly carried on where he'd left off in front of the English press, squeezed once again into his decade-old skinny-fit leather José-jeans, fluffing his chest hair, hosing the room with those saltily noxious José-pheromones.

                And so the notion that we all love José has been bandied about unchallenged ever since. This despite the fact there are obvious reasons why Mourinho coming back to England is a terrible idea for everyone concerned. Not just because of the tedium of the ambient obsession, which feels a bit like being forced to nod along to a very dull piece of music that everybody else seems to think is absolutely brilliant. But more because it is a destructive relationship on both sides, an affair dominated above all by the vast, suffocating blanket of guff, that gumbo of inanity and extra-football intrigue that must inevitably accompany Mourinho wherever he goes.

                This is, of course, non-negotiable. It is intrinsic to Mourinho's methods, an approach that demands he be placed magnetically centre stage, inserting himself into that yeasty nexus between fans, media and opposition, a man for whom a match kicks off with the pre-match press conference, the moment he can first start to dig his great scrabbling malevolent fingernails into the opposition cranium, redrawing the entire occasion in his capering shadow. Beyond any sense of a broader footballing philosophy, this is basically what Mourinho offers: a high-intensity infusion of distilled confrontational personality.

                And frankly, too much. We cannot cope with such bounteous gifts. Already geared towards its own parping operetta of handshakes and mind games and who said what to whom, English football is simply overwhelmed by a manager who makes it part of his daily routine to toss this stuff our way. And so when José is in the room we all go to pieces. He is managerial strong lager, managerial cleavage, an entirely disorientating force, killing the conversation and feeding the Premier League's own worst vices of hungrily consumed celebrified piffle.
                mourinho banner Chelsea supporters get themselves into a lather about the likely return of their former manager. Photograph: Imago / Barcroft Media

                This is a mutual thing. Just as José brings out the worst in English football, so its slavering attention has also brought out the worst in him. This is not to attack the man himself at a time when some will sense a dwindling in his powers. Physically he will return a more frayed, less-well-groomed figure: shell-suited, glowering beneath his frazzled bouffant, stalking the touchline like a very cross middle-aged man about to spring through the porch doors to remonstrate with the binmen on collection day.

                None of which matters much: Mourinho is too good not to be back on top in time. The issue is him attempting to do it in England. If he has become unlikable in recent years it is hard to avoid the sense this is somehow our fault, that during his time in England a single technique, one weapon in his armoury, became horribly enflamed, mushrooming out of all proportion until this oppositional quality is now basically his only quality. In the meantime other managerial flavours have emerged, the more austere and collegiate Bundesliga school of science, the inspirational-supply-teacher schtick of Jürgen Klopp, Europe's current junior it-boy.

                And frankly the question of what kind of "love" English football – Chelsea fans aside – might harbour for Mourinho is open to question. Love sounds like something you might feel for David Moyes, who seems so priestly and concerned and who sits in his shed dreaming of the Bundesliga in the way men of a certain age sit very quietly tapping their feet to trad jazz records before eventually returning with a sigh to watering the tomatoes. I feel a degree of managerial man-love for Fatih Terim, a manager powered solely by bodily perspiration whose entire football philosophy revolves around the production and dissemination of great cleansing instructional draughts of bodily perspiration. I love Uwe Rösler because of his Hasselhoff-ish Euro bonhomie, his optimism, his tiny little cupboard of an office at Brentford where he seems entirely happy. I kind of love Michael Laudrup a bit even though you half expect to look a little closer and notice he's sitting on the Swansea bench in a white tuxedo, bowtie rakishly undone, smiling his rueful sideways smile at some bittersweet casino-floor affair of the heart.

                Mourinho, though, is a more sickly affair. He remains English football's bad boyfriend, the guy who's simply no good for us: leaning against the bonnet of his car, chewing gum, baseball-jacket sleeves rolled up, the rebel with only one cause (the cause of José). And yet there is still a choice. We can party like it's 2004, allowing Mourinho to fill the skies with his haggard old personality schtick. Or we can decide we've had enough of the distractions of the periphery and for once maybe just try to talk about something else. It might just be best for everyone
                Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                  Relations between Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho and his team are so bad that he is on speaking terms with only three players - goalkeeper Diego Lopez, 31, and midfielders Michael Essien, 30, and Luka Modric, 27.
                  Full story: Marca (Spanish)

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                    Haha, I really hope that's true.

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                      Originally posted by Reece View Post
                      Haha, I really hope that's true.
                      It really would not surprise me in the slightest. There are some giant egos at that club aside from Mourinho.
                      "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                        The papers need to make their minds up. Last week he was close to Alonso and it meant Alonso was going to Chelsea. Now Xabi isn't even in the list of 3.

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                          That was the Indie though. This is Marca who are prone to making stuff up but as far as I know they're dead on with Real Madrid stuff.

                          It wouldn't surprise me either.
                          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                            Did anyone read the Blizzard article in the last issue which compared Mourinho to a cult leader? It was pretty interesting.
                            "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                            -- William Blake

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                              Neil Ashton ‏@neilashton_ 3m
                              Rafa confirms Mourinho's return: 'I will not be here. I think everyone knows who will be here next season.' More on MailOnline.

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                                Much as I loathe the guy, if Jose Jose Jose coming back to Chelsea means that United stop winning the league then i'm happy with that. For now.

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