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    #121
    Yes, it was. It wasn't the first thing I remembered though, but when I think about it he was sublime every time he played, just as Iniesta is.

    That's exactly my point though, it's dead to easy to forget all the little things and remember only the highlights. I can't point to anything specific, I just remember the feeling I used to have when I watched him play.
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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      #122
      Read those things you said about Zidane for any massive player for our generation! Ridiculous thing to say! You can't cheapen the greatest attributes and achievements a player has because lots of people say it. They're his iconic moments, and his skill and control is what made him what he was!

      Thats like saying you can't mention Carragher in Istanbul or that he was tenacious and good at defending!

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        #123
        Originally posted by Daniel 7 View Post
        Anyone who had Sky Sports and watched Champions League football had access to watching Zidane regularly. Real Madrid aren't exactly underexposed are they? Same goes for a proportion of his time at Juventus as well.

        Red_Polo - I hear you. Slightly misunderstood your post.

        I'm always intrigued by the Zidane vs Platini debate. We all forget about him because he was a bit before our time and he definitely wasn't a player we saw a lot of.
        Spanish football has only become quite popular in the last 7 years or so in the UK. In the late 90's/ early 2000's, it was not so popular. Most people in this country only got to see Spanish teams (or rather watched) when they played in the Champions league back then: namely Real Madrid, Valencia and Barca.
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          #124
          Do you remember Roma versus Juventus in, er, probably 98, maybe 99? No, I don't suppose you do. I wouldn't either if it weren't for the fact I was there.

          Juventus won 1-0, a Zidane free kick. It was the one thing that stood out from the whole match.

          It was the one time I saw him play live. Apart from the goal he did nothing I can really remember now but I do recall thinking he was the best player on the pitch.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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            #125
            Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
            Yes, it was. It wasn't the first thing I remembered though, but when I think about it he was sublime every time he played, just as Iniesta is.

            That's exactly my point though, it's dead to easy to forget all the little things and remember only the highlights. I can't point to anything specific, I just remember the feeling I used to have when I watched him play.


            Whenever I saw him play, there would be at least one moment of majesty that would set him apart as being the best player on the pitch by a considerable distance.

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              #126
              Originally posted by saj View Post
              Spanish football has only become quite popular in the last 7 years or so in the UK. In the late 90's/ early 2000's, it was not so popular. Most people in this country only got to see Spanish teams (or rather watched) when they played in the Champions league back then: namely Real Madrid, Valencia and Barca.
              You've got your dates wrong. Real/Barcelona derbies were on Sky back in the 90s, as was La Liga in general. Admittedly they didn't have four games every weekend then but you nearly always saw Real Madrid and Barcelona.

              And we also used to get quite a few Juventus games on C4 too.
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              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                #127
                I will never consider Zidane as one of the all time greats because IMO he used illegal drugs at Juventus.

                Great player but also a cheater IMO of course.
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                  #128
                  Originally posted by saj View Post
                  Spanish football has only become quite popular in the last 7 years or so in the UK. In the late 90's/ early 2000's, it was not so popular. Most people in this country only got to see Spanish teams (or rather watched) when they played in the Champions league back then: namely Real Madrid, Valencia and Barca.
                  If you had Sky Sports in the early part of the 00's, you watched Real. The Galactico era was showbiz. If you watched football, you watched the Champions League during that era too, Zidane was a major draw as much as Real. So - World Cups from 1998, Juventus in the CL and then a fair proportion of his career in the Real spotlight.

                  Some on here probably saw as much of him as Liverpool during that period.

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                    #129
                    Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                    Yes, it was. It wasn't the first thing I remembered though, but when I think about it he was sublime every time he played, just as Iniesta is.

                    That's exactly my point though, it's dead to easy to forget all the little things and remember only the highlights. I can't point to anything specific, I just remember the feeling I used to have when I watched him play.
                    Not sure about that at all. He was more often than not brilliant, but he was not anywhere near as consistent or dependable as Iniesta. He had so many occasions where he was slightly off and his frustration snowballed, leading to rash tackles or petulance amid the good in his game - particularly while he was at Juve. Again, that's not to say he was inconsistent. Just less so than Iniesta IMO.

                    That's my opinion of a single facet of him as a player though, and should not be read for me taking him to be a worse player. Nor for me having simply 'forgotten' things about him.
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                      #130
                      I suspect many did, including some of the very biggest names in Spain. And it wouldn't totally surprise me if it's still happening now. The speed of recovery from injuries these days...
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                      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                        #131
                        There are some whispers of suspicion about the Barca squad over the last few years.

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                          #132
                          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                          I suspect many did, including some of the very biggest names in Spain. And it wouldn't totally surprise me if it's still happening now. The speed of recovery from injuries these days...
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                            #133
                            Originally posted by Red_Polo View Post
                            Not sure about that at all. He was more often than not brilliant, but he was not anywhere near as consistent or dependable as Iniesta. He had so many occasions where he was slightly off and his frustration snowballed, leading to rash tackles or petulance amid the good in his game - particularly while he was at Juve. Again, that's not to say he was inconsistent. Just less so than Iniesta IMO.

                            That's my opinion of a single facet of him as a player though, and should not be read for me taking him to be a worse player. Nor for me having simply 'forgotten' things about him.
                            Oh yeah?

                            You remember every little pass, every little turn, every little feint? Because it's dead easy to remember all Iniesta's from last night.

                            You know how memory works. I'm happy to go with your memory of how it felt at the time you saw him but that's not the same thing, we're all inevitably judging the two players on different criteria.

                            And how many moments of brilliance do you need in a game?
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                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                              #134
                              Originally posted by Daniel 7 View Post
                              There are some whispers of suspicion about the Barca squad over the last few years.


                              The difference being that there is no evidence at all so far. Whispers yes but nothing more than that yet. They found illegal drugs at Juventus and Cannavaro failed a drugs test for example. Zidane himself admitted taking drugs at Juventus.
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                                #135
                                The Spanish authorities are suppressing information. Spain has a poor record on dealing with drug cheats, even worse than Italy's.
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                                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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