Willian secures 'Dream' Liverpool Spurs Chelsea move

[poorscousertommy]

Another point in relation to stats, Modric scored 4 times and got 8 assists in 53 games last season. That doesn't make him not worth the money Madrid paid for him does it?

The stats here http://www.whoscored.com/Players/29463/Show/Willian say 4 goals and 6 assists in 13 for Willian.

Where do you guys go to get your stats? I could do with a good site for future reference.

[RichC]

Everyone in here is basing their opinion that he is not worth 30 million on the back of youtube videos and a couple of clips.

I am pretty sure our scouting network have a little more insight into the quality of the player.Let's hope he is worth it.

I think he will be a great signing personally.

[Leyton388]

Fair play to Rodgers on his signings. Even Joe Allen is starting to look the part in pre season.

[poorscousertommy]

At 30mill we shouldnt be hoping hes worth it. It should be clear as day. I dont believe just because our scouting group say hes good we should be taking that at face value. We have plenty of signings that arent good. Over the last couple seasons the only good signings we've had are Sturridge and Coutihno. The rest are average to poor. I also dont believe Aspas or Alberto will be that special.

Have you seen Willian play a lot? You seem to be basing your opinion on absolutely nothing. Either that or "I haven't heard of him so he can't be worth 30 million".

It may well be clear as day to the management as they will have seen/ know a lot more about him than we have/ do.

The two signings you point out as good. Who made them?

[Pablo]

Tor Karlsen was saying what a brilliant player he is. He's a pretty good judge. He also thinks it's a massive long shot. Let's hope he's wrong

[MrMichael]

I dont believe just because our scouting group say hes good we should be taking that at face value.

Absolutely, what we should do instead is make snap judgements based on a couple of minutes of compilation highlights instead. Much more important than the judgement of professional scouts who watch entire games for their job

The fact that Dijibril Cisse, Mark Gonzalez and Assaidi all looked like world beaters on youtube should really have taught us something.

I really don't know much about this guy, but it is a fact that a number of respected observers and journalists in South America / Russia maintain that Willian is an extremely talented footballer.

Just as one example from a quick search, Tim Vickery about Willian in 2011 (from ~6.05 in) - http://talksport.com/radio/hawksbee-...nt-samir-nasri - "Very skilled indeed, a lot of talent there.. an excellent player"

[LFCman]

We need more afro at Liverpool. I hope we sign him.

[vlahka]

Absolutely, what we should do instead is make snap judgements based on a couple of minutes of compilation highlights instead. Much more important than the judgement of professional scouts who watch entire games for their job

The fact that Dijibril Cisse, Mark Gonzalez and Assaidi all looked like world beaters on youtube should really have taught us something.

I really don't know much about this guy, but it is a fact that a number of respected observers and journalists in South America / Russia maintain that Willian is an extremely talented footballer.

Just as one example from a quick search, Tim Vickery about Willian in 2011 (from ~6.05 in) - http://talksport.com/radio/hawksbee-...nt-samir-nasri - "Very skilled indeed, a lot of talent there.. an excellent player"

You can all point out that our scouting teams job is to know this or that and we cant make any judgements just on youtube clips, ignoring that these clips are supposed to be the best parts of a player in a lower league who is at the age one considers to be the prime. I can also point out that if hes so amazing why is it no other large teams have ever gone for him. Remembering that he IS 25 and plenty already know of him, because as already said, hes meant to be an amazing talent. An amazing talent no other larger teams want.

Again, snap judgements on videos, but those are meant to be his best form. Previous seasons in lower leagues, never seems to light up anything. I'm going to go ahead and say he'll be an average player for us if we get him and his 30mill price tag will bring the same response that Carrol did for us. You're free to think he'll be excellent. If we do buy him I'm going to hope he turns into a shining star. I just dont see it happening. As far as Gonzalez and Assaidi, was never impressed. I have Borini in the same group as them.

[Fierce]

You can all point out that our scouting teams job is to know this or that and we cant make any judgements just on youtube clips, ignoring that these clips are supposed to be the best parts of a player in a lower league who is at the age one considers to be the prime. I can also point out that if hes so amazing why is it no other large teams have ever gone for him. Remembering that he IS 25 and plenty already know of him, because as already said, hes meant to be an amazing talent. An amazing talent no other larger teams want.

Again, snap judgements on videos, but those are meant to be his best form. Previous seasons in lower leagues, never seems to light up anything. I'm going to go ahead and say he'll be an average player for us if we get him and his 30mill price tag will bring the same response that Carrol did for us. You're free to think he'll be excellent. If we do buy him I'm going to hope he turns into a shining star. I just dont see it happening. As far as Gonzalez and Assaidi, was never impressed. I have Borini in the same group as them.

Sooooooo, how's your Sunday morning going?

Make yourself a cup of tea, put your feet up. Who knows what the day will bring?

You're a great guy, you've got everything going for you. You can be whatever you want to be

[spider-neil]

You need to see the player in actual games. I honestly thought Coutinho looked average in this pre Liverpool video except when he is playing Futsal when he is about 10 years old.
Brendan has been pretty cautious with his money but seems willing to break the bank on this deal, that should tell you all you need to know about the player.

[Tee]

This player is not over rated. You can fool someone once but the fact he will be making a second £30m move tells me there is definitely something about him. I for one am genuinely excited about this one and the fact there is a lack of amazing YouTube clips actually adds to the excitement for me.

[LFCman]

You can all point out that our scouting teams job is to know this or that and we cant make any judgements just on youtube clips, ignoring that these clips are supposed to be the best parts of a player in a lower league who is at the age one considers to be the prime. I can also point out that if hes so amazing why is it no other large teams have ever gone for him. Remembering that he IS 25 and plenty already know of him, because as already said, hes meant to be an amazing talent. An amazing talent no other larger teams want.

Again, snap judgements on videos, but those are meant to be his best form. Previous seasons in lower leagues, never seems to light up anything. I'm going to go ahead and say he'll be an average player for us if we get him and his 30mill price tag will bring the same response that Carrol did for us. You're free to think he'll be excellent. If we do buy him I'm going to hope he turns into a shining star. I just dont see it happening. As far as Gonzalez and Assaidi, was never impressed. I have Borini in the same group as them.

Valid point.

However faith has to be put in Rodgers to find the right players he feels is right for our team. And from what he has done so far I don't believe he'd sign a 30 mill pound player just for the price tag and because of hype. If he's willing to spend the cash on Willian then surely he believes he will add some value to what he is trying to build with the team.

[SB]

At 30mill we shouldnt be hoping hes worth it. It should be clear as day. I dont believe just because our scouting group say hes good we should be taking that at face value. We have plenty of signings that arent good. Over the last couple seasons the only good signings we've had are Sturridge and Coutihno. The rest are average to poor. I also dont believe Aspas or Alberto will be that special.

But those who made those poor decisions are no longer with us so we need to trust those in the job until such time that they prove unworthy of our trust.

[vlahka]

But those who made those poor decisions are no longer with us so we need to trust those in the job until such time that they prove unworthy of our trust.

Thats true. Its just the 30mill price tag thats got me. I'm very sure we could get many already excellent players for that much. Van Persie cost 20mill for example. And he was already up there. I wouldnt of shrugged if we were offering 10-15mill for Willian. But 30? Thats obscene for a player we're hoping will come good.

[RichC]

I don't see why the fee bother you so much, the scouts and Rodgers apparently rate him and don't think the fee is too high hence we're supposedly in for him in or around the fee quoted.