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I don't think 'Arry is the answer, he's just the best of a bad bunch. Sure, he'll get the media onside and he will invigorate the team for a short time, but in the end, he'll be tactically outmanoeuvred by better managers.
We'll hear the FA parp about a long-term vision, improving grass roots football and how 'our target is to win the World Cup 2022', but in reality it's just bull****. I'm sure we'll blame the weather, our long season causing burn-out, etc, but the pool of players England can call on is shrinking and as Kenneth has pointed out, if you appoint a manager who is negative and unsuccessful, what can you expect.
Sure, it would be nice to have an English manager in charge, but we need a young, innovative manager at the helm, not somebody at the tail end of their career. A Roberto Martinez would be the way forward and if we need to consider job share, then why not?
'Arry isn't unsuccessful through a failure though. He's just a "wheeler dealer" however much he tries to deny it who didn't get too far because of his shady rep.
He was doing a fantastic job at Spurs until that came to an end.
Give him the pick of English talent with no transfer stuff to fret over and I think he'd motivate them and let them play their best game. Which would be a lot better than most of the crap we've seen over the last decade.
It would only be short term with his age, but how many managers stay with an international team long term? I think he could take us to the next World cup performing well enough for the next manager to have a solid base to build from.
I think he's exactly what we need right now. And not because he's English.
I do think Rafa would make an excellent international manager, he wouldn't be around players enough to piss them off, you get his considerable strengths without his weakness, however that would never happen and I'm trying to be realistic.
Seriously? Sure, the players need to take responsibility but I'm struggling to see what Roy actually did during the two games that had a positive impact. And the selection was very questionable for at least three positions (wellbeck, Baines and Jagielka), the subs were late and confused.
Dont think there was really a better option there. Other than the Centre backs he chose, there was Jones. The Left back he went with the player who had a good season. Baines was no worse or better than Johnson over the two games.
Welbeck was the only one I probably wouldn't have picked, probably would have had Lallana in there ahead of him.
A group of us chatted last night before and after the game (probably about 10 of us, good cross section of the fan base) and every person agreed that the selection wasn't the problem. That team was the best of a bad bunch. Not much hiding that.
'Arry isn't unsuccessful through a failure though. He's just a "wheeler dealer" however much he tries to deny it who didn't get too far because of his shady rep.
He was doing a fantastic job at Spurs until that came to an end.
Give him the pick of English talent with no transfer stuff to fret over and I think he'd motivate them and let them play their best game. Which would be a lot better than most of the crap we've seen over the last decade.
It would only be short term with his age, but how many managers stay with an international team long term? I think he could take us to the next World cup performing well enough for the next manager to have a solid base to build from.
I think he's exactly what we need right now. And not because he's English.
I do think Rafa would make an excellent international manager, he wouldn't be around players enough to piss them off, you get his considerable strengths without his weakness, however that would never happen and I'm trying to be realistic.
'Arry did well at Spurs, but it was only his Champions League run that stood out. Finishing fourth as we faltered and Manchester City found their feet was pretty much the minimum expectation. He's had a torrid time at QPR and should have walked the Championship this season.
I can see the argument for appointing 'Arry; The whole 'arm-around-the-shoulder', go out and 'fackin play and go for goal mentality but I want England to end this cycle of short-term, media and fan led appointments and do something different. Whoever mentioned Gary Neville before is a great shout.
Gary Neville based on what though? He looks and sounds great on MNF. But past that hes got nothing.
Id like to see him go away and manage a team first.
The things he picks up on MNF displays a fantastic understanding of the game. He's learnt from the most successful manager of recent times and has continued his own development by achieving his coaching badges. He's been involved in the England set-up and shows passion and impartiality.
If Neville was appointed and an antiquated FA decided to step in to the 21st century, I'm sure he'd be a success.
And if it went tits up, it's no different to the last 24 years.
Its true that its no different. But just because he seems to know what he is on about, I dont think thatll make him a good coach. If that was the case Carragher would be in the set up too.
I am very much all about people proving their worth, not getting things because there is no other better option.
Hodge will be there for another 2 years or so. Which is probably the best thing considered.
Hes not a brilliant manager. He is mid table. This side is midtable.
Getting Hodge out for another middle of the road manager is pointless. Unless its going to be a radical appointment, which it wont be.
Otherwise its Meet the new Tactical Dinosaur, same as the old Tactical Dinosaur.
One thing Hodgson has done is make this team likeable again, which is no mean feet.
People say that Hodgson lowers expectations, but with the England job that is exactly what is needed. There was no way that this side was going to come close to winning the world cup. And because the expectations are so much lower (I don't think I have heard anyone claiming England could win the world cup) there is likely to be less people calling for his head.
In fairness I think England have played quite well they have just lacked the quality of the sides they have come up against
The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.
But Carragher has not achieved his UEFA A coaching badge, nor has he worked as an Assistant Manager in an England side.
I think this whole 'earning your stripes' is the crux of the issue. To be considered for the role, I'd assume they would have to be a manager of a Premiership team. A set-up that demands success or they're out of a job. Such is our ability to 'big-up' the next best thing when manager's over-achieve, what's to say we don't appointment an Owen Coyle or a John Gregory?
Why can't we break the norm and look to a new innovative manager who hasn't been dragged down by the stress and internal politics of club management? Somebody who has fresh ideas who will invigorate the set-up?
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