VAR thread

[Kenneth]

Yeah but if you jump Infront of someone as they are about to kick then you've invited the contact surely?

Huh? The attacker was going for the ball, got the ball, the keeper didn’t get the ball and took him out. It’s the keeper’s responsibility not to kick the player. It wasn’t a Calvert-Lewin special, ie moving away from the ball deliberately into a tackle. I don’t see how it gets more blatant than this one tbh.

[ChesterDave]

I suppose it is too much to hope that a formal process and hearing the discussion is the least to come out of this

None of this 'Hey Brooksy, have a look at this' ****e. More along the lines of;

Needs to be more structured. Refer to them by proper name. Declare what the on field decision is, what point is to be checked. When that check is done confirm it back to the other party and wait for them to affirm agreement with the statement that the decision should stand or be challenged. And have it so ambiguity is removed.

Onfield decisions is OFFSIDE, not onfield decisions is no goal as allows for failing to hear 'no'

[rudedog]

Huh? The attacker was going for the ball, got the ball, the keeper didn’t get the ball and took him out. It’s the keeper’s responsibility not to kick the player. It wasn’t a Calvert-Lewin special, ie moving away from the ball deliberately into a tackle. I don’t see how it gets more blatant than this one tbh.

It's pretty straightforward, keeper goes to kick the ball but Wissa challenges for the ball. He wins the ball but in the process puts his body where the keeper was kicking - what was the keeper supposed to do, stop his kick halfway through?

[spud_gun]

That logic can be applied to every foul ever

'I would have got the ball but the opposition player was in the road so i kicked him'

[Kenneth]

It's pretty straightforward, keeper goes to kick the ball but Wissa challenges for the ball. He wins the ball but in the process puts his body where the keeper was kicking - what was the keeper supposed to do, stop his kick halfway through?

This is quite surreal. Two players go for the ball, one wins it, other one clatters the player. Happens a dozen times a game. In every single instance, the decision to go for the ball that they aren’t going to get is where the foul originates. That they can’t change their mind sufficiently after that decision is irrelevant, otherwise it would be a defence for pretty much every foul. “I thought I could get it and by the time I realised I couldn’t it was too late, sorry ref”. And the keeper knew the striker was coming, he rushed to kick it when he noticed. VAR missed it, pure and simple.

[Charly]

I think thats where the referee comes in and yses common sense to decide the severity of the foul...

oh...

hang on...

Sometimes its a genuine 50/50, and lall lrlelllfl shoild be able to differentiate that and someone who slid in from 20 yards.

If a player wins with studs up it can still be a red. If a player momentum puts him into the path of another player its obstruction unless they have the ball or just played it, so similar situations can vary. I think common sense should come into play, but the letter of the law overrides but isnt always fair.

[rudedog]

This is quite surreal. Two players go for the ball, one wins it, other one clatters the player. Happens a dozen times a game. In every single instance, the decision to go for the ball that they aren’t going to get is where the foul originates. That they can’t change their mind sufficiently after that decision is irrelevant, otherwise it would be a defence for pretty much every foul. “I thought I could get it and by the time I realised I couldn’t it was too late, sorry ref”. And the keeper knew the striker was coming, he rushed to kick it when he noticed. VAR missed it, pure and simple.

It wasn't two players 'going for the ball' though - the keeper had the ball and was about to kick it out - its unclear if he was even aware that Wissa was coming in - his eyes were on the ball the whole time.

Surreal

[Kenneth]

The ball comes to the keeper from the part of the pitch where the striker was, he knew he was around. And he didn’t ‘have the ball’ he took a touch, the ball got away from him and he was second to it. Outfield, lunging to recover a poor control is always a foul and usually a yellow.

You can see it better here (0:58), it wasn’t as though the striker had been hiding from him or came from nowhere.

https://youtu.be/8f1aRddvEnU?si=FRFBVjo-iRqTzln7

[Buzzo]

Yeah, that’s a stone Waller for me Clive. He gets his ‘pocket picked’ then cleans the forward out. It’s not a red or anything, but it is a pen.

[Mr Pink]

The headset that the ref wears- is he speaking directly to the var team, or does it go through the 4th official or that? It doesn’t make sense that they would be having a discussion and just tell him “check complete”. If it is what people are saying, that they thought the goal was given and “check complete” means that the goal stands.

Also I’ve read that once the free kick was taken it was too late to go back. This is absolute bull****. Use some common sense, get a message to the ref, blow the whistle, have another check if needs be, award the goal and add the extra minute or whatever onto injury time. I get that once play resumes var doesn’t get involved, but in these special circumstances they shoulda intervened.

I hope we get an actual explanation about how the mistake happened and not just “human error”. I wonder was it the first time that this happened (var delivering a decision that they hadn’t intended). I’m pretty sure if it was a very tight, they’d have just stayed quiet on it, and maybe it has happened before.

Agree with what others are saying, that other clubs should join us on this one. This is the 5th year of using var, it should be airtight by now ffs. It cost us this time, will be another club next time. If they all came together and demanded reform they’d surely have to change.

[Mr Pink]

Agree with what others are saying, that other clubs should join us on this one. This is the 5th year of using var, it should be airtight by now ffs. It cost us this time, will be another club next time. If they all came together and demanded reform they’d surely have to change.

I like this ange guy, but this kinda hypocrisy means it’s not gonna change. We’re probably all guilty of it as fans- I know I woulda laughed if it was united/city who this happened to. But as clubs/managers, they should all come together and demand reform. It’s no good complaining when it goes against you and saying it’s part of the game when it goes in your favor.

[Fosterbloke]

Good, I need a reason not to like him!

[SB]

I like this ange guy, but this kinda hypocrisy means it’s not gonna change. We’re probably all guilty of it as fans- I know I woulda laughed if it was united/city who this happened to. But as clubs/managers, they should all come together and demand reform. It’s no good complaining when it goes against you and saying it’s part of the game when it goes in your favor.

So because he’s now said that he’s given up his right to complain when a decision goes against his team. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT ERRORS ARE JUST PART OF THE GAME

[rudedog]

The ball comes to the keeper from the part of the pitch where the striker was, he knew he was around. And he didn’t ‘have the ball’ he took a touch, the ball got away from him and he was second to it. Outfield, lunging to recover a poor control is always a foul and usually a yellow.

You can see it better here (0:58), it wasn’t as though the striker had been hiding from him or came from nowhere.

https://youtu.be/8f1aRddvEnU?si=FRFBVjo-iRqTzln7

Ok, it looks much more conclusive from that angle

[Kenneth]

Ok, it looks much more conclusive from that angle