The World Cup 2022 Thread

[red g]

I don’t know why he was included in the squad tbh, that’s the weird part.

Him and Maddison seem press picks at best.

[Mark79]

Some lads are just there for depth or in case of emergency. Wouldn’t expect all 26 players to feature in 5 games.

[Mr Pink]

Would we want Salah taking multiple penalties in a game? Or put better- if we got multiple penalties in a game, would we want Salah taking them all?

It adds an extra layer to the mind games, of whether to go the same direction as the first one, etc, and must add to the pressure. On the other hand, if someone else takes it, it must be additional pressure if your taking one even though you’re not the designated penalty taker, and the penalty taker has already scored one. I think it makes sense to have a different taker for the second penalty, if the likes of Milner is on the pitch.

It would be interesting to look into the stats of games where a team gets 2 penalties and the same player takes both- how often they go the same direction, the conversion rates of the second pen compared to the first, etc.

[Fosterbloke]

Would we want Salah taking multiple penalties in a game? Or put better- if we got multiple penalties in a game, would we want Salah taking them all?

It adds an extra layer to the mind games, of whether to go the same direction as the first one, etc, and must add to the pressure. On the other hand, if someone else takes it, it must be additional pressure if your taking one even though you’re not the designated penalty taker, and the penalty taker has already scored one. I think it makes sense to have a different taker for the second penalty, if the likes of Milner is on the pitch.

It would be interesting to look into the stats of games where a team gets 2 penalties and the same player takes both- how often they go the same direction, the conversion rates of the second pen compared to the first, etc.

Gerrard missed his third against Utd for example.

[RedReet]

Mo scored 2 against Leeds on two separate occasions, one an 88th minute winner. Milner scored 2 against Hull. That was the only examples I could find in recent seasons.

[Exiled_red]

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Twitter thread on Kane's 2 pens, and Hendo doing his penalty taker protection thing and no-one assuming the role after he went off

[Kenneth]

I think they’re overthinking it. We live in an age when no angle is left unexploited.

[Rich]

https://twitter.com/GeirJordet/statu...99388327510017

Twitter thread on Kane's 2 pens, and Hendo doing his penalty taker protection thing and no-one assuming the role after he went off

I definitely spotted Henderson standing ahead of the penalty spot on the 1st peno

[RedReet]

I'm certain Kane did the same in another PL game, scored one, then skied a second. He's just a bit ****.

[Exiled_red]

I don't think anyone is suggesting he scored the first solely because of the role Henderson did and missed the second because no one was doing it.

However the consensus of opinion seems to be that the longer between the award of the penalty and it being taken the more likely the player is to miss, similarly opposition players are able to put off the taker. I imagine the more pressure on the penalty given the situation, such as there being 10mins left an needing to score to keep your team in the WC the more these small effects are amplified. Obviously the skill of the penalty taker is the main factor, but the team minimising other factors has to help.

Of course the other question is should you have the same taker take multiple pens in a match, this was a particularly difficult situation as he was going up against his club mate who he much have taken hundreds of pens against in training. IMO that is a decision for the manager, obviously Kane will say he backs himself to score and if someone else steps up and misses people will ask why Kane doesn't take it, but management is about those types of decisions

[Buzzo]

Got to be something in that science of leaving the guy who takes the kick alone to focus. Didn’t Mbappe run up to the keeper on the second one?

[Kenneth]

He distracted his own keeper?

[Norbs]

I don't think anyone is suggesting he scored the first solely because of the role Henderson did and missed the second because no one was doing it.

However the consensus of opinion seems to be that the longer between the award of the penalty and it being taken the more likely the player is to miss, similarly opposition players are able to put off the taker. I imagine the more pressure on the penalty given the situation, such as there being 10mins left an needing to score to keep your team in the WC the more these small effects are amplified. Obviously the skill of the penalty taker is the main factor, but the team minimising other factors has to help.

Of course the other question is should you have the same taker take multiple pens in a match, this was a particularly difficult situation as he was going up against his club mate who he much have taken hundreds of pens against in training. IMO that is a decision for the manager, obviously Kane will say he backs himself to score and if someone else steps up and misses people will ask why Kane doesn't take it, but management is about those types of decisions

He looked nervous, and it must've played on him rhat he'd already gone left and doubt crept in. He tried badly to hit it high and down the middle and it went horribly wrong

[Rich]

I'm sure someone's mentioned it already but that added layer of being up against your club keeper too - ****ed him.

[Fivex]

One of the clueless women pundits mentioned that iirc straight afterwards