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    From Guardian Online -
    "Fans get the team they deserve
    Liverpool supporters would not admit it, but their attitude may be helping to keep the club down.

    Paul Doyle January 10, 2007 12:35 PM

    Here's the unpalatable truth for anyone who admires what Liverpool Football Club once was: the club's fans deserve to dine on the steaming dung they were served up last night. Because as a crowd (not as individuals), they're dumb. Maybe lovably simple like Jason McAteer. Possibly so ostentatiously, in-your-face stupid that they inspire not laughter, not solidarity, not even sympathy, but a desire to avoid them at all costs ... or exploit them for all their worth. Here's why:

    Midway through the second half of last night's shambles, Liverpool fans began booming out 'You'll Never Walk Alone' with such gusto that anyone tuning in at that precise moment would have assumed the home side were comfortably ahead. But, of course, they weren't. They were being rogered 5-1. Once again, then, the Liverpool faithful, like the loyal sheep of certain other clubs, were wallowing in failure. And this morning many of them smugly expect everyone to congratulate them for that by agreeing that they're "the greatest fans in the world", or some such swill.

    Belting out your devotion to a club when it is, yet again, blatantly underachieving is not being a "true fan" any more than cheering on an alcoholic every time he downs a jug of vodka is being a true friend. Like a man suffering from an addiction, a once-great club hooked on mediocrity and half-success needs a mighty metaphorical boot in the hole. It needs to be shaken out of its self-defeating stupor. Sure, when you see signs of a willingness to get better, then rousing outpourings of affection may be appropriate, but until that point is reached, you've got to be cruel to be kind (like I'm being here, see). Gérard Houllier inched towards recovery and was embraced. Then he lost the plot and was indulged. Fan desertion should have: a) forced him to change his ways; or b) forced the directors to bin him sooner than 18 months after he'd passed his expiry date.

    Similarly, Rafael Benítez initially suggested he was the man to restore Liverpool to greatness, most obviously when he somehow led them to Champions League triumph in 2005 despite initiallly botching his selection and tactics in the final. Greatness doesn't mean sporadic success in cups, it means sustained domination of leagues. And in that sense, Benítez has been going backwards since his inspired half-time changes in Istanbul.

    So let's be clear: rather than pledge their allegiance to the unacceptable, Liverpool fans should have walked out en masse shortly after half-time in yesterday's debacle. And made it plain that until they're convinced that Liverpool could win the Premiership (nothing less should do) they will not be paying into Anfield, nor buying replica jerseys, official merchandise or Benítez's guff about not having enough money to rival the big three (when you've spunked £6.7m on Arsenal reject Jermaine Pennant, £7m on one season wonder(ish) Peter Crouch and oh-my-god-how-bloody-much?! on busy-but-aimless strikers such as Craig Bellamy and Dirk Kuyt, do you really deserve to be entrusted with even more funds, even if they were available? Certain Dubai fat cats may well be asking themselves that questions right now).

    If there is anybody other than away fans at Anfield's next game, then Liverpool deserve another tonking.

    All of the above is, of course, equally applicable to many fans of Newcastle, Manchester City and every other band of fools who regularly boast about filling their ground to watch overpaid underperformers. At best, you're the drunk following the blind. At worst, you're fodder for the likes of Freddy Shepherd."
    Screaming from beneath the waves...

    #2
    It's a point of view. He probably thinks he's being clever.
    .
    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



    May the Lord bless this post.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
      It's a point of view. He probably thinks he's being clever.
      Or deliberately provocative?
      Screaming from beneath the waves...

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        #4
        Sounds to me like he really really wanted us to stand there sobbing and instead he had to listen to us sing! Knob!
        I live with Steptoe.

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          #5
          Originally posted by zimbo View Post
          Or deliberately provocative?
          Who cares? He doesn't get it. He thinks being a football fan is like being a consumer at Tesco, vote with your wallet, etc.

          His article is worthless.
          .
          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



          May the Lord bless this post.

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            #6
            That is, without any doubt at all, the worst and most misguided article I have ever, ever had the misfortune to read.

            I should have got up and walked out halfway through instead of reading that horse ****.
            Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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              #7
              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
              Who cares? He doesn't get it. He thinks being a football fan is like being a consumer at Tesco, vote with your wallet, etc.

              His article is worthless.
              Exactly Neil. This was obviously written by somebody who not only knows nothing about the game, but has no idea what being a supporter is all about.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Slim View Post
                Exactly Neil. This was obviously written by somebody who not only knows nothing about the game, but has no idea what being a supporter is all about.
                Or follows one of rivals and is getting in a sly dig
                Are you the Judean People's Front?

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                  #9
                  When we finally do get round to winning the title again, it'll be a real pleasure to see the reaction of all these London-centric, jobsworth, rent-a-quote gob****es.
                  Screaming from beneath the waves...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                    That is, without any doubt at all, the worst and most misguided article I have ever, ever had the misfortune to read.

                    I should have got up and walked out halfway through instead of reading that horse ****.


                    Too bloody right. What a prick. Almost everything he says is complete bollocks. I could go through point by point why he is wrong but we all know the reasons and i simply cant be arsed.
                    'Religion is killing each other over who has the best imaginary friend'

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by zimbo View Post
                      When we finally do get round to winning the title again, it'll be a real pleasure to see the reaction of all these London-centric, jobsworth, rent-a-quote gob****es.
                      It’s sad and it’s a shame, but it’s one of the things I’m looking forward to the most.

                      ****-houses.
                      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by zimbo View Post
                        Or deliberately provocative?


                        If that was taken from the blog section of the Guardian Unlimited site then no doubt it's been written in order to 'spark debate'.

                        A load of bollox if you ask me.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by zimbo View Post
                          Please form an orderly queue:

                          From Guardian Online -
                          "Fans get the team they deserve
                          Liverpool supporters would not admit it, but their attitude may be helping to keep the club down.

                          Paul Doyle January 10, 2007 12:35 PM

                          Here's the unpalatable truth for anyone who admires what Liverpool Football Club once was: the club's fans deserve to dine on the steaming dung they were served up last night. Because as a crowd (not as individuals), they're dumb. Maybe lovably simple like Jason McAteer. Possibly so ostentatiously, in-your-face stupid that they inspire not laughter, not solidarity, not even sympathy, but a desire to avoid them at all costs ... or exploit them for all their worth. Here's why:

                          Midway through the second half of last night's shambles, Liverpool fans began booming out 'You'll Never Walk Alone' with such gusto that anyone tuning in at that precise moment would have assumed the home side were comfortably ahead. But, of course, they weren't. They were being rogered 5-1. Once again, then, the Liverpool faithful, like the loyal sheep of certain other clubs, were wallowing in failure. And this morning many of them smugly expect everyone to congratulate them for that by agreeing that they're "the greatest fans in the world", or some such swill.

                          Belting out your devotion to a club when it is, yet again, blatantly underachieving is not being a "true fan" any more than cheering on an alcoholic every time he downs a jug of vodka is being a true friend. Like a man suffering from an addiction, a once-great club hooked on mediocrity and half-success needs a mighty metaphorical boot in the hole. It needs to be shaken out of its self-defeating stupor. Sure, when you see signs of a willingness to get better, then rousing outpourings of affection may be appropriate, but until that point is reached, you've got to be cruel to be kind (like I'm being here, see). Gérard Houllier inched towards recovery and was embraced. Then he lost the plot and was indulged. Fan desertion should have: a) forced him to change his ways; or b) forced the directors to bin him sooner than 18 months after he'd passed his expiry date.

                          Similarly, Rafael Benítez initially suggested he was the man to restore Liverpool to greatness, most obviously when he somehow led them to Champions League triumph in 2005 despite initiallly botching his selection and tactics in the final. Greatness doesn't mean sporadic success in cups, it means sustained domination of leagues. And in that sense, Benítez has been going backwards since his inspired half-time changes in Istanbul.

                          So let's be clear: rather than pledge their allegiance to the unacceptable, Liverpool fans should have walked out en masse shortly after half-time in yesterday's debacle. And made it plain that until they're convinced that Liverpool could win the Premiership (nothing less should do) they will not be paying into Anfield, nor buying replica jerseys, official merchandise or Benítez's guff about not having enough money to rival the big three (when you've spunked £6.7m on Arsenal reject Jermaine Pennant, £7m on one season wonder(ish) Peter Crouch and oh-my-god-how-bloody-much?! on busy-but-aimless strikers such as Craig Bellamy and Dirk Kuyt, do you really deserve to be entrusted with even more funds, even if they were available? Certain Dubai fat cats may well be asking themselves that questions right now).

                          If there is anybody other than away fans at Anfield's next game, then Liverpool deserve another tonking.

                          All of the above is, of course, equally applicable to many fans of Newcastle, Manchester City and every other band of fools who regularly boast about filling their ground to watch overpaid underperformers. At best, you're the drunk following the blind. At worst, you're fodder for the likes of Freddy Shepherd."
                          He does talk some ****e BUT he does have a point to be fair, i know my thread 'why sing YNWA' after our miserable performance at the Emirates a few months ago went downly badly but i stand by what i say, we are SOMETIMES too good for our own good, it's great having loyal fans, back their team through thick n thin it really is an fwe fall into that category but at times ie last night you gotta give the lads the proper bashing they deserve.
                          That's the way i see it anyway.
                          "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fight back."
                          Tupac

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                            Who cares? He doesn't get it. He thinks being a football fan is like being a consumer at Tesco, vote with your wallet, etc.

                            His article is worthless.


                            we all criticize the boo boys at man u, and the lack of support chelski has, i'd waist my self if that ever happened with us...

                            the ****** doesn't understand we support the club through thick and thin, and altough we know that we can do better after results like this, the players know that we will not desert them during troubled times, what kind of fans walk out on the team when they need you the most...
                            "I have decided to escape, to defy the shogun. Today I will begin walking the road to hell. But you will choose your own path. So, soon you may be seeing heaven. Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

                            "You would've been happier if you'd chosen to join your mother in her world. " - Ogami Itto

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Marky18 View Post
                              He does talk some ****e BUT he does have a point to be fair, i know my thread 'why sing YNWA' after our miserable performance at the Emirates a few months ago went downly badly but i stand by what i say, we are SOMETIMES too good for our own good, it's great having loyal fans, back their team through thick n thin it really is an fwe fall into that category but at times ie last night you gotta give the lads the proper bashing they deserve.
                              That's the way i see it anyway.
                              Well you’re wrong.

                              The very message of the song means it is equally appropriate being sung either in despair or glory, in defeat or victory. Can’t you see it? This prick Paul Doyle clearly can’t. By his reckoning everybody should have all walked out of the Ataturk at half time.
                              Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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