Journalists - Ya Gotta Love 'Em

[Cisseshairdresser]

This type of **** would usually piss me off, but it's impotent because its written by someone who has no understanding or knowledge of football, or what it is to be a supporter, so consequently has no power and fails to envoke any reaction whatsoever from me. However, if Andy Gray or Mark Lawrenson had written it.......

[alunevans]

what a pile of poo. if he was on my paper i'd kick him off the sports staff and put him writing consumer affairs reports. he seems not to understand what being a supporter is about.

YNWA was wholly appropriate last night despite the poor performance. if anything, it demonstrated the gulf between the class in the stands and the class on the pitch.

I wonder whether this guy was writing how great we were when we sung YNWA at half time in Istanbul?

Or should we have walked out en masse from the Ataturk too.

What a prize twonk.

[Red_Al_77]

Please form an orderly queue:

From Guardian Online -
"Fans get the team they deserve
Liverpool supporters would not admit it, but their attitude may be helping to keep the club down.

Paul Doyle January 10, 2007 12:35 PM

Here's the unpalatable truth for anyone who admires what Liverpool Football Club once was: the club's fans deserve to dine on the steaming dung they were served up last night. Because as a crowd (not as individuals), they're dumb. Maybe lovably simple like Jason McAteer. Possibly so ostentatiously, in-your-face stupid that they inspire not laughter, not solidarity, not even sympathy, but a desire to avoid them at all costs ... or exploit them for all their worth. Here's why:

Midway through the second half of last night's shambles, Liverpool fans began booming out 'You'll Never Walk Alone' with such gusto that anyone tuning in at that precise moment would have assumed the home side were comfortably ahead. But, of course, they weren't. They were being rogered 5-1. Once again, then, the Liverpool faithful, like the loyal sheep of certain other clubs, were wallowing in failure. And this morning many of them smugly expect everyone to congratulate them for that by agreeing that they're "the greatest fans in the world", or some such swill.

Belting out your devotion to a club when it is, yet again, blatantly underachieving is not being a "true fan" any more than cheering on an alcoholic every time he downs a jug of vodka is being a true friend. Like a man suffering from an addiction, a once-great club hooked on mediocrity and half-success needs a mighty metaphorical boot in the hole. It needs to be shaken out of its self-defeating stupor. Sure, when you see signs of a willingness to get better, then rousing outpourings of affection may be appropriate, but until that point is reached, you've got to be cruel to be kind (like I'm being here, see). Gérard Houllier inched towards recovery and was embraced. Then he lost the plot and was indulged. Fan desertion should have: a) forced him to change his ways; or b) forced the directors to bin him sooner than 18 months after he'd passed his expiry date.

Similarly, Rafael Benítez initially suggested he was the man to restore Liverpool to greatness, most obviously when he somehow led them to Champions League triumph in 2005 despite initiallly botching his selection and tactics in the final. Greatness doesn't mean sporadic success in cups, it means sustained domination of leagues. And in that sense, Benítez has been going backwards since his inspired half-time changes in Istanbul.

So let's be clear: rather than pledge their allegiance to the unacceptable, Liverpool fans should have walked out en masse shortly after half-time in yesterday's debacle. And made it plain that until they're convinced that Liverpool could win the Premiership (nothing less should do) they will not be paying into Anfield, nor buying replica jerseys, official merchandise or Benítez's guff about not having enough money to rival the big three (when you've spunked £6.7m on Arsenal reject Jermaine Pennant, £7m on one season wonder(ish) Peter Crouch and oh-my-god-how-bloody-much?! on busy-but-aimless strikers such as Craig Bellamy and Dirk Kuyt, do you really deserve to be entrusted with even more funds, even if they were available? Certain Dubai fat cats may well be asking themselves that questions right now).

If there is anybody other than away fans at Anfield's next game, then Liverpool deserve another tonking.

All of the above is, of course, equally applicable to many fans of Newcastle, Manchester City and every other band of fools who regularly boast about filling their ground to watch overpaid underperformers. At best, you're the drunk following the blind. At worst, you're fodder for the likes of Freddy Shepherd."

What a load of crap.

[Spionkop69]

Done!!!!

Listen i'm not slagging off the fans for singing YNWA, it's our song and is a massive part of the Club but singing it after we concede goal like last night is in my opinion ripping the piss, ok we back our team to the hilt but ffs there comes a time when they don't deserve YNWA to be sung when last night was one of them.

Istanbul was completely different cos AC Milan just outplayed us in that first half completely but the difference was all the players were giving 100%, it was a European Cup final and the lads had went above all our expectations by even getting to the final.

You are not slagging us off for singing it but in your opinion its ripping the piss?

Its one and the same thing you contradictory blert. The players don't decide when its sung, the fans inside Anfield do and as someone has pointed out, its not a solely 'good times' song.

You've done this to death, got a good kicking last time and to be fair its going the same way again here. You're not wrong, people just generally don't agree with you on it. Step back and ask yourself why?

[Spionkop69]

I'm entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that it's, YNWA was sang besically after every goal, cringeworthy stuff and what's with the constant singing of 'justice for the 96' about?
Not disrespecting the campaign, i'm all for it and i signed the petition re MacKenzie but i assumed the protest was just to be done on saturday and that was that?
Lose it's appeal surely and a few other posters on other lfc forums have said the same thing.

First things first, no it wasn't sung after every goal. It was sung at the beginning and end of the game as normal and we sung it at half time and once again during the second half. Don't let facts get in the way of good exaggeration.

Secondly, the constant singing about Justice? Are you that insensitive that you didn't think before you posted that? The fight for justice has been going on since 1989, albeit far quieter than it has over the past couple of months but there has still been a battle.

You're on very thin ice here Marky and I'm sorry but as a first hand witness to the horrors of that day I find your flippancy and insensitivity pretty offensive.

[Bob]

What a load of crap.

Al, you're right. You also have the right to say i told you so...

[Marky]

SPION - Go have a look over on 6CM's and have a look at what Piedro and co had to say about the supporters last night, doubt you will have a go at them about it though.

[Red_hot]

SPION - Go have a look over on 6CM's and have a look at what Piedro and co had to say about the supporters last night, doubt you will have a go at them about it though.

So just because some others say the same thing as you on a different forum that makes it right?

[Marky]

So just because some others say the same thing as you on a different forum that makes it right?

No, not at all, i had the same thoughs during the match to be honest,
i'm just pointing out that others have discussed it as well yet i seem to be the only on getting singled out and made to look the bad guy, not that im surprised though.

[Red_hot]

No, not at all, i had the same thoughs during the match to be honest,
i'm just pointing out that others have discussed it as well yet i seem to be the only on getting singled out and made to look the bad guy, not that im surprised though.

Probably cos you are on here and they are on a different forum??

[The Glove]

It was sung last night to show Arsenal that they might have smacked our team down, but they didnt defeat us. It proves a point to them that no matter what, they wont get the better of us.

Now repeat that back to me, make sure you understand.

[Farside]

He does talk some ****e BUT he does have a point to be fair, i know my thread 'why sing YNWA' after our miserable performance at the Emirates a few months ago went downly badly but i stand by what i say, we are SOMETIMES too good for our own good, it's great having loyal fans, back their team through thick n thin it really is an fwe fall into that category but at times ie last night you gotta give the lads the proper bashing they deserve.
That's the way i see it anyway.

So at 3-0 down in Istanbul the fans should have got on the teams back rather than support them, is that you were thinking then? I wonder what the result would have been.

Think and thin!

You just don't get it do you?

[Red_hot]

Can we argue the points without the abuse please people. He is entitled to his opinion like the rest of us.

[Marky]

So at 3-0 down in Istanbul the fans should have got on the teams back rather than support them, is that you were thinking then? I wonder what the result would have been.

Think and thin!

You just don't get it do you?

If you bothered reading everything i said, you will have seen this:
"Istanbul was completely different cos AC Milan just outplayed us in that first half completely but the difference was all the players were giving 100%, it was a European Cup final and the lads had went above all our expectations by even getting to the final"

[Farside]

I am not having this "we will only sing when we are winning" stuff. Our tradition and class as fans are so above any other club in the world. You agreeing with this article makes a mock of our club and its values.

The reason I did not read through the whole thread is because I could not believe you agreeing with the journalist.

Sorry for the insult.