Fifa re-open case ! Mascherano to Liverpool deal back on...

[Red Chilli]

How do you know the details of the loan agreement?
I haven't seen them published anywhere. Have you got a link please?

All I have said is that in my opinion he won't settle and I used the comparrison to Veron as he is another high profile Argentinian midfielder lauded by everyone who did jack all in the premiership for the 2 best clubs at the time.
I would rather we concentrated our efforts into areas of the squad that do need attention with players who have some kind of Premiership pedigree.

[Alpha]

He was when he played for Parma and to some extent when he played for Lazio. Obviously it wasn't the strongest part of his game in Italy but if you don't make any tackles you generally don't flourish in the centre of midfield for the best team in Serie A.

They are different types of midfielders. There is no guarantee that Mascherano will acclimatise, but if he doesn't, that will be the only valid comparison anybody could draw between him and Veron.

[rushscored4]

I see Mascherano as a similar type of player to Owen Hargreaves. Both had good World Cups, neither have played much (or at all) in the Premiership and (most importantly) they both have dark, wavy hair.

However, Mascherano is available for 'nothing' on loan and Hargreaves is being quoted at around £20m. Hmmm...

[Red Chilli]

They are different types of midfielders. There is no guarantee that Mascherano will acclimatise, but if he doesn't, that will be the only valid comparison anybody could draw between him and Veron.

Except they're both midfielders, they are both Argentinian and they have both failed spectacularly at their first Premiership clubs.

[Red_Polo]

How do you know the details of the loan agreement?
I haven't seen them published anywhere. Have you got a link please?

All I have said is that in my opinion he won't settle and I used the comparrison to Veron as he is another high profile Argentinian midfielder lauded by everyone who did jack all in the premiership for the 2 best clubs at the time.
I would rather we concentrated our efforts into areas of the squad that do need attention with players who have some kind of Premiership pedigree.

I'm yet to see a newspaper report linking us with Mascherano for a permanent deal to be done this month, so why would we discuss anything other than a loan deal?

As for comparing him to Veron, they are totally different players. Just because they both play CM and are Argie doesn't mean they're the same. Mascherano is a lot tougher and likes to get stuck into tackles, something Veron never showed any appetite for at any point in his career. Veron was a pansy, Mascherano is much more robust.

Maybe Mascherano won't be that good, and maybe we won't keep him long term. But Rafa seems to want the lad and I've seen enough to say he's worth the risk on a loan deal at the very least. I think you should give him a chance Chilli mate, you might be pleasantly surprised.

[Red Chilli]

I'm yet to see a newspaper report linking us with Mascherano for a permanent deal to be done this month. So unless you know different, why would we discuss anything other than a loan deal?

As for comparing him to Veron, they are totally different players. Just because they both play CM and are Argie doesn't mean they're the same. Mascherano is a lot tougher and likes to get stuck into tackles, something Veron never showed any appetite for at any point in his career.
Maybe Mascherano won't be that good, and maybe we won't keep him long term. But Rafa seems to want the las and I've seen enough to say he's worth the risk on a loan deal at the very least. I think you should give him a chance Chilli mate, you might be pleasantly surprised.

He liked to get stuck in in Serie A.
Lots of loan deals involve a payment by the loaning team for the chance to take the player in the summer. How do you know that Rafa hasn't agreed to a deal like this? That's my point.
I hope the deal falls though at an early stage, we should be focussing our attention to other areas of the team.

[Alpha]

Except they're both midfielders, they are both Argentinian and they have both failed spectacularly at their first Premiership clubs.

If you think the fact they are both Argentinian midfielders is, in itself, a meaningful basis for comparison, then I'm going to bed.

And Mascherano hasn't had the chance to fail yet.

Night all. Great to see you.

[rushscored4]

If you think the fact they are both Argentinian midfielders is, in itself, a meaningful basis for comparison, then I'm going to bed.

What about my comparison with Hargreaves?

I can confidently predict he will do far better than any other Canadian defensive midfielder has ever done before in the Premiership...

[Red_Polo]

He liked to get stuck in in Serie A.
Lots of loan deals involve a payment by the loaning team for the chance to take the player in the summer. How do you know that Rafa hasn't agreed to a deal like this? That's my point.
I hope the deal falls though at an early stage, we should be focussing our attention to other areas of the team.

Well we leave that in Rafa's hands. Either way, for me he is worth the risk on loan. We can't get stuck with him if things go wrong and won't have paid anything substantial.

Can't disagree there are other areas that need strengthening more, but with DIC looking like coming in money wouldn't seem to be such a limiting factor as it was, and considering the stature of the player the figures quoted for a future deal seem very reasonable, and would of course remain optional if we were to get him on loan.

You seem so certain he will fail, so I can understand you don't want the deal to go through. I suppose only time will tell as to if we sign him and whether he does well for us.

[Red_Polo]

If you think the fact they are both Argentinian midfielders is, in itself, a meaningful basis for comparison, then I'm going to bed.

And Mascherano hasn't had the chance to fail yet.

Night all. Great to see you.

Isn't it!

Welcome back Alpha

[MrMichael]

Mascherano isn't your mercurial, high-risk, Latino flair player.

He is mobile without the engine of Gerrard.
He can pass without the range of Xabi.
He can tackle without the brutality of Momo.

And he eats second balls for breakfast.

You show me Hamann's replacement and I'll show you Javier Mascherano.

You know that's exactly what I thought when I first saw him play on TV.

Chilli, this is an absolute no-brainer for me. We need cover in the centre of the park, and this lad is the best young defensive midfielder Argentina has produced this decade. This isn't Paletta, signed from some minnow as a prospect, he's played (and impressed) for arguably the two biggest clubs in South America, and is a fixture for his national side at 22. And he certainly isn't Veron, a comparisson which is, frankly, totally fatuous

Of course it is entirely possible that he just won't get English footy, but on the off chance that he does, it looks like we could get him in at a fraction of what he could actually be worth, if we can disentangle him from these MSI jokers that is. A loan has no drawbacks at all, and give Benitez the chance to take a proper look at him. He could be the real deal, I'd be made up if we pulled this off.

[LFCman]

Classic. I knew it. You know all about a player you've seen on TV.

OK, that's all I need to know.

Tripe.

I never saw Kuyt play in real before we signed him yet I was telling the doubters he was a class player. Was I wrong?

I've never seen Zidane in real, therefore my assumption that he is a world class player is crap.

[Harv]

He liked to get stuck in in Serie A.
Lots of loan deals involve a payment by the loaning team for the chance to take the player in the summer. How do you know that Rafa hasn't agreed to a deal like this? That's my point.
I hope the deal falls though at an early stage, we should be focussing our attention to other areas of the team.

your full of **** Veron never got stuck in. Thats why he couldnt hack it over here.

Mascherano does.

[Harv]

Classic. I knew it. You know all about a player you've seen on TV.

OK, that's all I need to know.

jam you laughing smilie up your ass ya clown. Whats that got to do with anything? Watching a game on TV and live is hardly different. If you know what to look for when watching a player you will see how they are in either format. cock

Your making an assumption on a player you have never seen play. And judging by your comments on Veron, youve never seen him play either.

lets just face the facts here.

you have no idea what your on about...you just hate Argies

you haven't come up with any reasoning WHY he wont in your opinion make it, its just "he wont adapt" WHY?? he is nothing like Veron.

[desertscouser]

The fact that they haven't even bothered should tell you something about how highly they rate him, and Wenger and Mourinho for that matter.

Don't worry Red Chilli, Mascherano is the real deal. He's an infinitely better player than that joke Carrick.