Post match wash-up/reaction/moan thread

[Marky]

Starting threads about lack of leadership etc - its bollox - If Gerrard lacked leadership would he be captain of our club and vice captain of his country - get a ****in grip - you are a tabloid poster if ever I saw one.

Fool (and thats me being nice to you today)

Oh **** up, where the **** did i say 'Gerrard lacks leadership'???????? i said no one individual is to blame if you bothered ****ing reading my post.
****S SAKE

[vonk]

Bellamy missed chances but I thought he looked good today. Maybe he hould be more selfish. Kuyt was the poorer forward today for sure. My marks today would be:

Reina - 5 - had little to do, but really messed up for the first goal
Finnan - 8 - our best player. plain and simple.
Agger - 6 - lost his man a few times and needs to release the ball when he gets into a good position. might have learned a bit
Carra - 7 spent a lot of time covering Agger
Riise - 2 - Can anyone remember a positive contribution?
Zenden - 3 - In the second half he sat on the wing and watched. At one point Stevie was bursting forward on the counter attack and this clown was jogging forward...slowly. Really upset with him.
Stevie - 7 - tried hard but I think had too much ground to cover. Seems to have given up on the league
Momo - 7 - The usual Momo. Covered a lot of ground. Won lots of ball, but plays the wrong pass more often than not.
Pennant - 6 - Played pretty well but his crosses do not pick out a player and are lobbed rather than whipped. Peripheral.
Bellers - 7 - Good goal, was up for it and was our only attacking threat, but had enough opertunities to win it for us.
Kuyt - 5 - Poor today. First touch was bad and he gave it away a lot. Bad miss. Effort gets you a long way but quality wins the big matches.

Rafa - 4 -One down with 20 left. Crouch, Guthrie, Arbeloa on the bench. Who do you bring on? Worrying.

[Sir Bob]

Don't get me wrong - I like him. He's a decent player, good at most things. But crucially, he's exceptional at nothing. We need better.

Thats Kuyt in a nutshell. He has nothing exceptional to his game. He's ok at everthing but excels in no one area. He's not quick, not great in the air & not the best of finishers. All in all, he works hard but isn't good enough. End of. Ditto Bellamy.

[Eth]

Kuyt is an excellent player and I can't understand why some of you are criticizing him. He works his socks off and because of that, he may lose some of his lucidity in front of goal ... That'll come when he's more at ease with the English game.

Agreed

Kuyt is above critisism until next season lads - he is a fighter and he gives 100% - sometimes I feel that he is too anxious to prove himself - think back to his goals against the Chelsea and West Ham all that time ago (last month)

[Marky]

How many times have we heard that ?

Too many bloody times

[MrMichael]

Not as many as Kuyt.

Today wasn't Kuyt's fault but it needed saying. Some of our fans are deluded as to his level of quality.

Balls. Crouch is basically guaranteed to miss a clear cut headed chance in every single game he ever plays.

Kuyt is a good player who absolutely works his socks off. With a bit of work and improvement he genuinely could be the real deal. No matter how much many of us like Crouch, I doubt any of us truthfully could say that of him.

[MrMichael]

Agreed

Kuyt is above critisism until next season lads - he is a fighter and he gives 100% - sometimes I feel that he is too anxious to prove himself - think back to his goals against the Chelsea and West Ham all that time ago (last month)

[kurtangle01]

I honestly can't believe people on here saying Kuyt isn't good enough. How long has it taken other players to settle in the prem.

If you're not an instant success then you must be ****, eh?

See Pires, Drogba etc.. for examples.

[Eth]

Oh **** up, where the **** did i say 'Gerrard lacks leadership'???????? i said no one individual is to blame if you bothered ****ing reading my post.
****S SAKE

Marky welcome to http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/prof...=ignore&u=1626

[AFII]

Thats Kuyt in a nutshell. He has nothing exceptional to his game. He's ok at everthing but excels in no one area. He's not quick, not great in the air & not the best of finishers. All in all, he works hard but isn't good enough. End of. Ditto Bellamy.

and Crouch.

I would sell Bellamy and Crouch before Kuyt.

I doubt that Rafa will sign three or four new strikers and that means that Kuyt stays IMO.

Give Kuyt a chance as a striker for a few games instead playing him in the midfield. Then we could judge him after that.

I don't think it's fair to judge a striker when the striker plays as a midfielder.

[Joey Jones]

Kuyt is an excellent player and I can't understand why some of you are criticizing him. He works his socks off and because of that, he may lose some of his lucidity in front of goal ... That'll come when he's more at ease with the English game.

I'll second that. He's got 9 goals so far in the Premiership. That's not bad for a player in his 1st season at a new club.

[kurtangle01]

I'll second that. He's got 9 goals so far in the Premiership. That's not bad for a player in his 1st season at a new club.

[Red_Al_77]

Reina - 5 - Howler for their first goal
Finnan - 8 - Only player who looked comfortable in the conditions
Agger - 6 - Poor decisions in the conditions
Carra - 6 Passing was poor and really no distribution from the back
Riise - 0 - ****e
Zenden - 1 - I gave him 1 point for his shot.
Stevie - 6 - Some strange passing and should have dominated the game with his engine.
Momo - 6 - Great tackler. Nowt else really.
Pennant - 7 - Had a good game. Went past players repeatedly.
Bellers - 7 - Should have scored 3. Poor finishing cost us.
Kuyt - 5 - Thought he was awful today.

Rafa - 3 - Strange substitutions today. Tactically got it wrong.

[Sir Bob]

If Rooney's one of the world's best strikers, how come he scores so few goals? It took him until his third season to pass the 20 league goals total, has scored around 10 or so this season - hardly remarkable - and just went two years without scoring in competitive internationals

If you can't see that Rooney is light years ahead of players like kuyt, then I give up.

I'm not knocking Kuyt because we lost, I've not thought he looks good enough since he arrived. Hard working player, yes, top quality player, no.

[Marky]

Marky welcome to http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/prof...=ignore&u=1626

"Not gonna blame Gerrard or any individual"

Read ffs!!

You are making my already ****ty day 10 times worse and i thought you
were one of better ones an all, jesus christ.