UEFA allegations - discussion

[redblood]

Agreed.

But I dont think we should use their incompetence to avail our behaviour.

Liverpool fans are famous for their high opinion of themselves and their ‘it wasn’t our fault’ mentality.

The club should take a strong position against the ‘minority’….

UEFA have shifted blame, I hope the club don’t try to do the same (I’m sure they will)

Did you ever hear the saying prevention is better than cure.
Well I think this has to be applied here, I was in Athens and we did see how shambolic their organisation was.
The only precaution they had taken was to have lots of riot police with itchy baton fingers.
We already have enough knowledge of what can go wrong domestically and in Europe due lack of foresight and proper controls.
UEFA have a lot to answer for with regard to this final, yes some of our support did not behave impecabbly but UEFA and Olympic Stadium organisers have to accept at least 90% of the blame, which they won't and this is obviously why they released these comments.

You obvioulsy weren't there and therefore your comments should be some what invalid, I have been to quite a few CL games at Anfield with many different nationalities and most have commented on how our supporters are the best in the World, so if the likes of you are prepared to back UEFA rather than your team you are a sad excuse for a supporter.

[Lucky]

The club should take UEFA to civil court and sue UEFA for slander, I definately think it would be an easy victory.

If I remember correctly we can't participate in the CL if we have legal Proceedings on against UEFA. There's nothing stopping a fan or fans groups however from launching their own action.

[lfcruleus]

I wholeheartedly agree and I've said it for a while actually.

I'm certain that any competition policed by the top clubs would have less corruption et al.

Ive said this since Athens. the G14 would only need to threaten to pull out of the CL and Uefa would **** themselves and sort the issues affecting the fans out, without the G14 there would be no TV money no sponsers, hence no 6 figure salarys for the top nobs at UEFA. The clubs need to stand up and fight for thier fans, the sad thing is the clubs probably dont give a **** about us anymore.

[The Glove]

G14 need to rally around us here. We wont get anywhere without their help. This report has/will go out and while we know it is bollocks, people on the Continent wont know it and you can bet at our next away game in the qualifier in the back end of nowhere, their police will be waiting and expecting the worst.

G14 need to support us in rubbishing this report. Our sports minister, while might help us in this country, wont help us in other European countries and for our travelling fans and reputation, that is what is needed.

The big clubs need to show support otherwise nothing will change for us or for the future.

[lfcruleus]

Did you ever hear the saying prevention is better than cure.
Well I think this has to be applied here, I was in Athens and we did see how shambolic their organisation was.
The only precaution they had taken was to have lots of riot police with itchy baton fingers.
We already have enough knowledge of what can go wrong domestically and in Europe due lack of foresight and proper controls.
UEFA have a lot to answer for with regard to this final, yes some of our support did not behave impecabbly but UEFA and Olympic Stadium organisers have to accept at least 90% of the blame, which they won't and this is obviously why they released these comments.

You obvioulsy weren't there and therefore your comments should be some what invalid, I have been to quite a few CL games at Anfield with many different nationalities and most have commented on how our supporters are the best in the World, so if the likes of you are prepared to back UEFA rather than your team you are a sad excuse for a supporter.

tbh mate that is harsh, I was there and i saw things and behaviour that i do not want associated with our club. The club does need to deal with the racists and idiots in our away support that we have all seen this season. I do agree however that UEFA are mainly culpable for Athens but mainly down to the corrupt way it sells its tickets, if we had had 30000 tickets for the game most of the problems wouldnt have happened as the tension would not have been there in our fans.
But there is too much of the red tinted glasses in this thread, whilst we are by no means the "worst supporters in Europe" Uefa has never said this, it has been way over hyped on a slow news day by our press again. It is a major shame to me that i was more upset coming away from Athens with the behaviour of some of our "Fans" than the result.

[The Glove]

Question is though mate, would all that have gone on if the final was at say, Hampden or in Berlin? I really dont think it would have. The situation created a situation.

If you dont lock your car, some ***** gonna nick it. If you dont organise something properly, some ***** gonna ruin it. Thats whats happened.

[redblood]

They have orchestrated the tabloid response via their skewed representation of us, it is deliberate. He can deny outright he claims we are the worst fans in Europe, but the bottom line is their false representation of us is part of a smear campaign intended to bring about exactly that kind of comment. Yes, that **** Gaillard should retract his comments, because they are deliberately misleading. To analyse the comments for a fabrication or falsity is to be naive to the way in which people create a lie. He's just reeling out self-serving comments that deliberately distort the truth, his comments ARE part of a lie.

Very well said mate this is a smear campaign and it has to be stopped and retracted.
I didn't see any news yesterday buy heard today on one of Ireland's national Radio Stations, I couldn't believe it I was sick listening to this, but I did half expect this.
I think we need to get other fans from European teams that have visited Anfield and ask how they were treated and put it together for all to read because it will make for completely different reading.

[lfcruleus]

Question is though mate, would all that have gone on if the final was at say, Hampden or in Berlin? I really dont think it would have. The situation created a situation.

If you dont lock your car, some ***** gonna nick it. If you dont organise something properly, some ***** gonna ruin it. Thats whats happened.

Yes and i agree, but i wouldnt nick someones car if it was unlocked and neither did i do anything wrong in Athens, that argument works both ways. It depends on your principles i guess. It is a reflection on society more than anything, and sad that it is accepted by most on here.
The stadium was not suited for LFC and our fanbase if it was say a Barce/Milan final there would have been no trouble, says more about our fanbase than i like im afraid.

[Darth Marty]

a point I cant help but think is .....whereas we as a club would probably support and help another club in our situation (man u, chavs, aresnal) I doubt very much that these same clubs give a **** about us, in fact id bet that they were pretty ****ing happy that our name was being dragged through the mud.
I ****ing hate U.E.F.A.pricks!

[The Glove]

Yes and i agree, but i wouldnt nick someones car if it was unlocked and neither did i do anything wrong in Athens, that argument works both ways. It depends on your principles i guess. It is a reflection on society more than anything, and sad that it is accepted by most on here.
The stadium was not suited for LFC and our fanbase if it was say a Barce/Milan final there would have been no trouble, says more about our fanbase than i like im afraid.

Maybe it is our society but would it really have just been our fan base? Would Utd or Chelsea have been any different? I really dont think so.

[redblood]

tbh mate that is harsh, I was there and i saw things and behaviour that i do not want associated with our club. The club does need to deal with the racists and idiots in our away support that we have all seen this season. I do agree however that UEFA are mainly culpable for Athens but mainly down to the corrupt way it sells its tickets, if we had had 30000 tickets for the game most of the problems wouldnt have happened as the tension would not have been there in our fans.
But there is too much of the red tinted glasses in this thread, whilst we are by no means the "worst supporters in Europe" Uefa has never said this, it has been way over hyped on a slow news day by our press again. It is a major shame to me that i was more upset coming away from Athens with the behaviour of some of our "Fans" than the result.

Yes there was behavoiur that was not acceptable but any club in the world with that amount of supporters in one area would have the same problem if not worse.
The people without tickets or forged one should have been stopped long before they got to the ground, once they got close to the entry point of the stadium most were going to chance their arms to get in and some did.
Unfortunately things got out of control but had those people not been in a position to do that well it wouldn't have happened.
UEFA as usual will not stand up to be counted and any Liverpool supporter that even accepts one word of what has been said is as bad as the ones who tried to rush the gates.
There are no red tinted glasses just the fact that if proper controls were in place then none of this would've happened, thats what UEFA need to understand and quick.

[lfcruleus]

Maybe it is our society but would it really have just been our fan base? Would Utd or Chelsea have been any different? I really dont think so.

No neither do I anyone with a big following would have had the same problem.

[lfcruleus]

Yes there was behavoiur that was not acceptable but any club in the world with that amount of supporters in one area would have the same problem if not worse.
The people without tickets or forged one should have been stopped long before they got to the ground, once they got close to the entry point of the stadium most were going to chance their arms to get in and some did.
Unfortunately things got out of control but had those people not been in a position to do that well it wouldn't have happened.
UEFA as usual will not stand up to be counted and any Liverpool supporter that even accepts one word of what has been said is as bad as the ones who tried to rush the gates.There are no red tinted glasses just the fact that if proper controls were in place then none of this would've happened, thats what UEFA need to understand and quick.

With all due respect mate thats bollocks until the report is actually released if it even exists. To suggest that I because i do simply not accept that anyone had the right to try and enter somewhere they had no legal right to be, no matter what the security, makes me as bad as that person is just daft. You are implying that these people had no choice but to try and enter simply because the oppurtunity was there, It is a reflection on a decline in society and you suggest that i accept that?
We, on an internet forum, will never change any of this and UEFA are covering thier arses but this is no reason to suggest the behaviour was acceptable, if we do then it will happen again and again until something bad happens.
I really do believe we are entering a dangerous period again for English fans abroad, when something serious does happen i do not want it to be our club, I believe because of our history and integrity as a club and of our support we should know better, thats all.
As i have already said there is a way for LFC to combat this slur but they need to grow a set of balls that they did not possess when the allocations were announced this year, along with the G14 they should take the game from UEFA and give it back to the fans, sadly i think those days are gone.

[Red_hot]

Yes there was behavoiur that was not acceptable but any club in the world with that amount of supporters in one area would have the same problem if not worse.
The people without tickets or forged one should have been stopped long before they got to the ground, once they got close to the entry point of the stadium most were going to chance their arms to get in and some did.
Unfortunately things got out of control but had those people not been in a position to do that well it wouldn't have happened.
UEFA as usual will not stand up to be counted and any Liverpool supporter that even accepts one word of what has been said is as bad as the ones who tried to rush the gates.
There are no red tinted glasses just the fact that if proper controls were in place then none of this would've happened, thats what UEFA need to understand and quick.

Well said mate!

[redblood]

Question is though mate, would all that have gone on if the final was at say, Hampden or in Berlin? I really dont think it would have. The situation created a situation.

If you dont lock your car, some ***** gonna nick it. If you dont organise something properly, some ***** gonna ruin it. Thats whats happened.

Chris you know first hand of how things are organised for a game and this was a joke.
I like the idea of putting pressure on the G14, also I like I've said I think we need to put this out other European Clubs and their fans who have been to Anfield and have experienced us abroad.