The paper that cannot be mentioned

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

This is one of his quotes

"IMO we should move on now. Some younger LFC fans wouldn't be able to know instantly what happened at that time.

I repeat, we should move on."

So clearly he is not into being educated!

But you don't see that Fredo and anyone else have to be receptive to the message at the time that they read it. Maybe he is more open to suggestion when we put him in the picture by taking the time to inform him via emails or MSN.

[KK07]

I agree in general that it's unfair to jump on someone who's unaware of the boycott or of exactly what was said in 1989, but the quotes (which I've now seen) weren't too good. Telling people to 'move on' is hardly tactful.

He's from Maritius FFS, he speaks french and then english,have you seen his posts?
He's not that bright to understand the nuances!!

Give him a break,he didn't mean it,I'm sure of that.

[Farside]

This thread is a lesson in itself!

[KK07]

This thread is a lesson in itself!

Well then now he knows ok?

End of.

[lfc_michael]

He's from Maritius FFS, he speaks french and then english,have you seen his posts?
He's not that bright to understand the nuances!!

Give him a break,he didn't mean it,I'm sure of that.

I've no problem with him. I don't even know the guy. But it's guaranteed that you'll get a lot of backs up if you're so cavalier about a sensitive topic. I hope it can all be resolved for him, though.

[Revo]

Exactly, so let's cut some people some slack before we start jumping down their throats.

This is a real emotional issue, but people shouting vitriol at fellow fans doesn't seem to be the best way to educate other fans or indeed to highlight this issue.

People jumped on Fredo without giving him a fair chance to clarify or explain his comments.

Bang out of order IMO.

It was me who jumped down his throat and i will be ****ed if i take it back. He knew the ramifications of saying its time we moved on.
He is a stalwart of est was a stalwart of koptalk and this topic has been debated many many times, so i for one dont share your sentiment that he never knew any better. All said and done, i hope Fredo doesn't leave cos i happen to like him.

[KK07]

I've no problem with him. I don't even know the guy. But it's guaranteed that you'll get a lot of backs up if you're so cavalier about a sensitive topic. I hope it can all be resolved for him, though.

Sorry mate,wasn't having a go,was just explaining.

Yeah I agree but I'd say the lad knows now and won't be so silly again.

[KK07]

It was me who jumped down his throat and i will be ****ed if i take it back. He knew the ramifications of saying its time we moved on.
He is a stalwart of est was a stalwart of koptalk and this topic has been debated many many times, so i for one dont share your sentiment that he never knew any better. All said and done, i hope Fredo doesn't leave cos i happen to like him.

Me too,hope he comes back,not as sure as you that he nknew exactly what he was sayin Kev although I agree he must've had an idea.

Put it down to stupidity.

[Neil Young]

It was me who jumped down his throat and i will be ****ed if i take it back. He knew the ramifications of saying its time we moved on.
He is a stalwart of est was a stalwart of koptalk and this topic has been debated many many times, so i for one dont share your sentiment that he never knew any better. All said and done, i hope Fredo doesn't leave cos i happen to like him.

So you disagree with him. It's not like he was defending the rag itself.

I agree with you about not stopping the boycott but can it not even be talked about amongst ourselves?

[Helios Creed]

That is the most likely cause. (stupidity)

[Dhav]

It was me who jumped down his throat and i will be ****ed if i take it back. He knew the ramifications of saying its time we moved on.
He is a stalwart of est was a stalwart of koptalk and this topic has been debated many many times, so i for one dont share your sentiment that he never knew any better. All said and done, i hope Fredo doesn't leave cos i happen to like him.

I completely understand what you're saying, certainly Fredo's been around these boards long enough to understand the sensitivities relating to that rag.

But is it possible that his words "time to move on" have been misinterpreted or taken out of context? He goes on to talk about younger reds not being aware of the issue - that doesn't necessarily say to me that he's saying we should forget the boycott, give up on the fight for justice etc.

Given that he's been around these boards for so long, I think he deserved the chance to explain himself before being hung, drawn and quartered.

[lfc_michael]

I agree with you about not stopping the boycott but can it not even be talked about amongst ourselves?

Of course it can be talked about, but dismissively telling people to 'move on' is not a constructive examination of the issues, is it? I feel quite sorry for him now, as I bet he didn't mean to cause any offence, but there's a difference between a debate and what was said.

[Neil Young]

Of course it can be talked about, but dismissively telling people to 'move on' is not a constructive examination of the issues, is it? I feel quite sorry for him now, as I bet he didn't mean to cause any offence, but there's a difference between a debate and what was said.

Do you really think so? To me it read as a starting-point, an opening argument in a debate, not a line in the sand. I really don't read it as him "telling people to move on" and I certainly didn't see it as "dismissive" at all.

I think there are people better qualified than me to opine on the subject itself. However, I do think it's reasonable to cut people a bit of slack - we do all support the same team after all.

[Dhav]

Do you really think so? To me it read as a starting-point, an opening argument in a debate, not a line in the sand. I really don't read it as him "telling people to move on" and I certainly didn't see it as "dismissive" at all.

I think there are people better qualified than me to opine on the subject itself. However, I do think it's reasonable to cut people a bit of slack - we do all support the same team after all.

This is exactly what I'm saying. To me Fredo's words seemed to be a thought/argument not fully expressed.

People took those three words at face value without giving him an opportunity to fully explain and I think he deserved better.

[lfc_michael]

Do you really think so? To me it read as a starting-point, an opening argument in a debate, not a line in the sand. I really don't read it as him "telling people to move on" and I certainly didn't see it as "dismissive" at all.

I think there are people better qualified than me to opine on the subject itself. However, I do think it's reasonable to cut people a bit of slack - we do all support the same team after all.

Ditto for me, re: the point in bold. I was very young at the time. There's only one person who can clarify what he meant by it. I would certainly welcome a debate and I wouldn't personally jump on anyone who wanted to discuss it, but people who hold the opposite view have to be very aware of how they present it. That's all.