english players at LFC

[Rafa Shankly]

The Telegraph states that 40% of players starting games in the PL last season were English.

thats actually shocking..

not that i give a toss one way or another and im baffled why anyone else cares so much,**** england,its liverpool that matters.

that doesnt seem right though.

[Rafa Shankly]

More alarmingly, someone pointed out to me that LFC have one of the lowest amounts of black players down the years.

id actually disagree with that,although i could be wrong.

[carheex]

Sorry, just a simple question, have skipped through about the past 8 posts. If the foreigners are to blame for England’s demise, what was the excuse for all the other years? Have England always been one of the favourites for International competitions and basically been guaranteed quarter/semi final places?

Prior to 92, England won one world cup, why are the foreigners to blame for not winning one of the four since?

Easy answer - england aren't as good as the english think they are. No idea why people are so shocked and disappointed when we don't qualify for or win major tournaments. Probaly an english arrogance thing as there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest we are a major force in world football. The one trophy that we did win was on home soil (advantage) and had a highly dubious goal allowed which changed the game completely.

[carheex]

thats actually shocking..

not that i give a toss one way or another and im baffled why anyone else cares so much,**** england,its liverpool that matters.

[Rocket]

More alarmingly, someone pointed out to me that LFC have one of the lowest amounts of black players down the years.

who gives a fcuk.

pick the best players. end of

[carheex]

who gives a fcuk.

pick the best players. end of

doesn't work like that in this country, shorty. at least not in all companies. there has to be a certain amount of ethnic minorities/disbaleds (ie midgets...) employed, regardless of whether there is a more suitable white person available for the job. The sentiment is good but the reality is craziness.

[der_Fuchs]

70% of the players in Serie 'A' are Italian - and they've just won the world cup. That blows your arguement out of the water.
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Are you saying that if 70% of players in the EPL were in English, instead of just 60%, that we would win the world cup, too?
Pretty unlikely if you ask me, what with the likes of McLaren at the helm. And anyway, was the proportion of Italians in Serie A less than 70% on all the occasions that Italy didn't win it?



And: 'The italians import players also - but not all the ****ing dross like we do. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee - this is our national game and we're strangling ourselves.'

It's more complex than you are suggesting: the Italians imported Dichio, and plenty of other cack. They tend not to buy British, simply because British players are regarded as overpriced for their level of ability.
But the Italians couldn't make a go of Henry, Vieira (at Milan) or Bergkamp, so even the right choices don't always work. Inter are famous for importing big names and not getting them to play as a team. And Baggio, possibly the best Italian player of his generation, got punted on more than once.
Evidence from our club suggests that our Spanish coach is better at it than his French predecessor, despite the fact that the French won the world cup not that long ago, whereas Spain has never won it.

Conclusion: success at any club is down to selecting a coach that is able to spot and use the talent available for the funds that are available, and it has very little to do with nationality.

The points about English players' attitudes is also a factor. Fabio Ravanelli's commennt on his Boro teammates was that 'I would be humiliated to be that drunk'.

[Rocket]

doesn't work like that in this country, shorty. at least not in all companies. there has to be a certain amount of ethnic minorities/disbaleds (ie midgets...) employed, regardless of whether there is a more suitable white person available for the job. The sentiment is good but the reality is craziness.

yes, exactly, i think its called political correctness gone mad.

sorry, we can't employ you to be a teacher, because we've got to fill our quota of ethnics.

[The Glove]

70% of the players in Serie 'A' are Italian - and they've just won the world cup. That blows your arguement out of the water.

The italians import players also - but not all the ****ing dross like we do. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee - this is our national game and we're strangling ourselves.

I remember when they had that rule in European football where you could only have about 4 foreigners. That was about 15 years ago and the English teams used to get spanked. I remember United getting ****ed 4-1 by Barca and United were Englands best team by a mile back then.

Italian teams dont buy our players because they are to expensive and not good enough for the money. Its not foreign imports strangling the national game. Its ****ed from bottom to top before you get to any foreigners.

[Howard_lfc]

70% of the players in Serie 'A' are Italian - and they've just won the world cup. That blows your arguement out of the water.
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Are you saying that if 70% of players in the EPL were in English, instead of just 60%, that we would win the world cup, too?
Pretty unlikely if you ask me, what with the likes of McLaren at the helm. And anyway, was the proportion of Italians in Serie A less than 70% on all the occasions that Italy didn't win it?

I think we'd have a damn sight better chance of doing something with the national team if we had more english players playing in the prem. It stands to reason doesn't it? What with more experienced players to chose from etc.

Look at the fuss over SG at the moment. He's ONE player FFS and they want him to have an injection in order to play. Where's the strength in depth within our game to replace him?

I'm probably coming over as an Anglophile in these posts but the fact is I couldn't give a ****e about England at the moment! I hope Israel and Russia stuff them so we can get rid of McLaren and start again without missing out on a World Cup.

[Red_Polo]

The English national team was **** long before the influx of foreign players.

[Howard_lfc]

The English national team was **** long before the influx of foreign players.

Ok - so you agree that all the foreign imports have not improved our national side then? If so - you're agreeing with me!

[RedReet]

70% of the players in Serie 'A' are Italian - and they've just won the world cup. That blows your arguement out of the water.

The italians import players also - but not all the ****ing dross like we do. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee - this is our national game and we're strangling ourselves.

Eh? I don't have an argument, was just a question. And Italy won this years world cup because Brazil got wrapped up in their own hype, and Argentina and Spain did their usual and blew up.

My point was simple, because England only got to the 1/4 finals in 2002 and 2006, the foreigners are to blame, but in 1950, 1954, 1958, 1962, 1970, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1994 when they got just as far AT BEST, who was at fault then? If England were that good and everything was a level playing ground, surely they would have destroyed everyone.

And their European Championship record before foreigners...

* 1964 - Did not qualify
* 1968 - Third place
* 1972 - Did not qualify (Quarter-finals)
* 1976 - Did not qualify
* 1980 - Round 1
* 1984 - Did not qualify
* 1988 - Round 1
* 1992 - Round 1



England are now in a position where they go to every major championship as one of the favourites. On paper, they are as good as any other nation. It's their own fault that they have a history of employing poor managers or causing decent managers to implode with the pressure. You can't blame that on foreigners.

[Red_Polo]

Ok - so you agree that all the foreign imports have not improved our national side then? If so - you're agreeing with me!

I would say it hasn't made a significant difference either way, if that's what you're saying then I agree. I think with that in mind it would be pointless to inhibit the freedom of clubs to recruit who they see fit through player nationality quotas etc.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Alvaro Arbeloa - £2.5m

Danny Higginbotham - £3m

Shocking isn't it?

But I do wonder if it's the fact that they are British/English that inflates the price or whether it's buying from another English club.

I suspect it's a bit of both. Though I have no evidence to suggests this is the case.