Carragher follows Bascombe

[paulcooper4]

Before Carra is hung drawn and quartered by some of you, wouldn't it be in the best interests to hear his side of things ?

you seem to know him pretty well fella why dont you let him get on here and explain. Doesnt mean he`s the devil like but in my, and a lot of other scousers eyes, he has done a really ****ty thing.

[Ron_Mexico]

You made a value judgement about the poll. Called me rash when in reality I have more basis for my opinion than do you

BTW I'm making NO assumptions about Carra, only about the opinions of scousers that I've read on here, YNWA and RAWK.

that's because your poll is sad

so saying he's above the average scouser isn't judging him or making an assumption? i think it is rash to say that about someone you don't know

more basis for your opinion than me? you don't know anything about me, who i talk to, or what i know

i think you should stick to making fan clubs

[kevshim]

This was posted on RAWK via another site, well worth taking time to read it.

Just posted this on the other thread but I'll post it here as well. (Just in case any of you missed it there/cos I like the sound of my own voice....delete as apropriate).

Like I said before, my head's really wrecked with this now.
If we're not careful we're gonna see lads with the same views falling out cos of disagreements over a newspaper which, don't forget, has not done anything wrong (apart from being a relation of one which did something which we all agree was a ****ing disgrace).
I've seen everything that's been written on here about this issue since last week and there are some points I wanna make to clear up some falsehoods and some views I wanna express. I'll do them in list form to make them easier for you to pull to bits.
1. There has never been any official boycott of the NOTW.
2. There has been a boycott of the Sun which has been going strong for over 18 years.
3. The two publications are linked financially, no argument.
4. Sky cross promotes with the Sun as much as the NOTW does. Anyone watch Sunday Supplement this morning? That show is financed by the Sun.
5. You will not see a NOTW sport exclusive interview shared with the Sun. It just doesn't happen. The two editorial teams are as competitive as the Mirror and the Sun.
6. The whole of the Premier League got rich by feasting at Sky's table. How did Sky get its claws into the game? By using the riches that News International supremo Rupert Murdoch had built up from the success of the Sun in this country. Therefore, the money that has made our club rich has its roots in the success of the Sun and the way its owner reinvested his the cash he made from it.
7. Liverpool Football Club treat the NOTW exactly the same as all other national newspapers. Only the Sun is treated differently.
8. I know for a fact that Jamie Carragher received no fee for today's article. In the past he was a columnist with the Echo and he only took a fee on the basis that it was given to Alder Hey. He gave today's interview to a NOTW journalist (I don't know which one but it wasn't Chris Bascombe) in good faith and in the belief that the NOTW is not part of the boycott. He would never give any interviews to the Sun.
9. The News of the World sells an average 3.5m a week. The newspaper industry usually measures readership in terms of for every one person who buys the paper, three read it. It’s like if your dad brings the ECHO home from work, his wife and kid will read it too. So, in reality, the News of the World has around 14 million readers. The Liverpool ECHO currently sells around 110,000, giving it an estimated readership of 330,000. Not even the same stratosphere as the NOTW. According to the conspiracy, Ruport Murdoch is sitting in his mansion, assessing his 14 million readership of the NOTW, and thinking he needs to rebalance the loss of sales of The Sun by grabbing more Merseyside readers of the NOTW.
He sees the Echo sells 110,000. Let’s say it’s a 50-50 split of Liverpool and Everton fans who buy the ECHO. That’s 55,000 Kopites up for grabs. Let’s be generous and say all 55,000 Reds boycott the News of the World. Not a single Liverpool supporting ECHO reader buys it. They appoint Chris Bascombe to the News of the World in the hope of attracting a fraction of this 55,000 because THAT’S REALLY going to make a huge difference to the 3.5m he’s already established.
At the same time, he risks alienating the 55,000 Evertonians who buy the ECHO and have no issues with the NOTW but have a fair few, rightly or wrongly, with Mr Bascombe.
Even better, Bascombe is available because he isn’t even that good a writer and none of the other nationals want him – and yet he’s still capable of delivering thousands of new readers to the NOTW, apparently. The point is, those who keep peddling this Murdoch conspiracy theory are well wide of the mark.
Nationally, he's a no-mark. Regionally, the idea he can take a following to a national paper that sells as much as the NOTW and impact sales is ludicrous.
If it was The Independent or a paper which sells **** all, the argument would make sense, but not with the biggest seller in Britain.

Last, and but by no means least, this is turning into a ****ing farce. Anyone know what Duckenfield is up to today? Or how Graham Kelly spent his Sunday?
No?
Didn't think so.
And yet they will always be the main culprits. The ones who sent 96 our fans to their deaths on April 15 1989.
The Sun told lies. The worst kind of lies. They accused us of stealing from our own and pissing on corpses. That should never be forgiven or forgotten and the boycott is a magnificent response.
But never lose sight that the people responsible for our fans dying come from South Yorkshire Police and the English FA.
At the moment, we're fighting amongst ourselves over a newspaper which not many of us have ever liked or bought anyway. And why? Because a single journalist has taken a job there.
If the British establishment did not have the Sun's lies they would have to invent them because they are currently distracting us from the real culprits.
Use the boycott as a rallying point, by all means, but do not use it to divide people who have stood together so magnificently for two decades.

Sorry for this being so long winded and I'm even more sorry if this has offended any of you but I'm seeing a loss of perspective and a growing division and both need to be addressed.
We either find some common ground or agree to disagree on this or we fall apart and all the good work of the last 18 years will be lost for good.
United we stand, divided we fall. The choice is ours.
And for me the solution is simple: Don't Buy The Sun

[El Jefecito]

that's because your poll is sad

so saying he's above the average scouser isn't judging him or making an assumption? i think it is rash to say that about someone you don't know

more basis for your opinion than me? you don't know anything about me, who i talk to, or what i know

i think you should stick to making fan clubs

You're talking BS mate. Stick to the tapas and tequila.

[Jacko]

Perhaps the way to go about this would be for fans who feel strongly about this write letters to the club and let them know how dissapointed they are that one of our players is writing for the NOTW.

Gerrard had his autobiography excluseively serialised in NOTW and I don't remember him being slated.

Perhaps I missed that though.

You should have been at Cardiff the day it came out Scott mate- Stevie got f*cking abused!

[Ron_Mexico]

You're talking BS mate. Stick to the tapas and tequila.

you're making yourself look more pathetic by the post

[paulcooper4]

that's because your poll is sad

what was wrong with his poll? or the other poll he had deleted the other day for that matter?

[El Jefecito]

you're making yourself look more pathetic by the post

Seeing as how you completely missed the original point :whoosh:

[Ron_Mexico]

what was wrong with his poll? or the other poll he had deleted the other day for that matter?

i thought it was ****ing stupid, just like the other one

[captainfog]

what was wrong with his poll? or the other poll he had deleted the other day for that matter?

it was confusing

[kurtangle01]

You should have been at Cardiff the day it came out Scott mate- Stevie got f*cking abused!

What match was it, the league cup final or the F.A. cup final? I can't remember off the top of my head. If it was the leaue cup final I was there and don't remember anything being said about him.

[paulcooper4]

i thought it was ****ing stupid, just like the other one

i know, you said. thats why im asking what was stupid about it?

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

My take:

There is no bigger liverpool fan than me, and there has been no bigger supporter of carragher than me, even in the early years when it seemed every liverpool fan thought he was "****e" I just couldnt help but admire him.

That has no bearing in my opinion. Bascombe sold his soul to the sunday sun and I said he was a **** for doing it and I believe Carragher is a **** for doing it also, just as I have no time for Gerrard (as a person, not as a footballer) anymore either.

Carra will get my full support when he pulls the red shirt on, just as Gerrard does. But if carra really has done this he will never be the same fella in my eyes again.

This doesnt mean a ****in thing like in the grand scheme of things like but there you go.

What surprises me is that unlike Bascombe - who is a normal bloke who did it to advance his career and help his family which I can understand, if not condone - Carra is minted footballer who doesn't need a few extra £100k from a rag, which in getting into an association with he knows will piss off quite a few a reds.

I'm quite ambivalent about it all because we've seen Stevie and the midget do it before, but Carra doing it really has left me a bit flabbergasted. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Maybe footballers are all the same after all; greedy *******s who are all out to make as much as they can while they can

[kurtangle01]

It seems to me like opinion on this is split. To be honest I can see it from both sides of the argument but I personally won't think anything less of Carra and would hope that he this doesn't cause a divide between him and the fans.

[Darth Marty]

@ charlie - regardless of the public feeling I doubt very much Carra done it for the money mate