The Derby - Where's the hatred come from?

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

They dont know the history of the derby tho, they see it as just a rivally, they havent grown up with evertonians so they come to derby games just as fans and see Everton solely as the enemy. The rise of these has angered Evertonians because once were they would have banter with their red mates, now they cant as the blokes gong the game arent their mates, they are blokes from Wigan, London, and god knows where. That is bound to cause a degree of hatred. Were once they had banter they now have nothing so the feeling of, 'they arent like us' or whatever is bound to take over. Im wafflin now.

It's strange though. The go on about being "the peoples club" yet at a home game against Bolton last season, in which they lost 4-0, half the crowd left early, and the rest booed them off. Compare that with our supposed home support made up of OOT, woolybacks and scandos all staying to the end of that 4-1 home loss to Chelsea to sing YNWA, showing solidarity with the players and manager. My point being they are just bitter that their club's in a chronic decline.

[El Diego]

This is where I get lynched.


I think the spitefulness has a lot to do with the rise of the number of out of town-ers.

My thinking is that, its never been all happiness and light, but when it was all scousers, people knew people, they got on in work and out of work. they'd go the game together as they were mates outside of football. Thats not the case anymore. The people going the game now are not mates with Blues everyday, dont have blues in their family etc and as a result of this they just see Everton as 'the enemy' as they havent known blues as anything else. Everton are our city rivals and thats it. But to scousers, Evertonians are your brother, your old fella, the bloke next door etc and it is this that has started the hatred.

I am sorry but you really are talking out your arse.

[The Glove]

I am sorry but you really are talking out your arse.

Ok mate, lets here your reasons. oh and 'They are ****s' isnt a reason.

[El Diego]

I was not having a personal attack on you, I think it's basically cause were more succesful than them, it's a but like the Scottish and Welsh towards the English they are the little brother and hate it.

[GordonGecko]

Good thread....some interesting points made

I blame Thatcher

[El Diego]

All I can say is that I have never been to a Derby so can't comment on first hand experience like some of you. I am just going by my experiences, thats if I am going on the bus from the city centre you get abused but it's not directed at one set of people.

[RedJedi]

I dont go down County Road anytime they play at home.

Me either, my blue mates bevvy in the Cheppy but i wont even bother goin over after an Everton game.

We went in on Boxing day ( been in the King Harry for a while ) just as we walked in Milan got his hatrick. Good job we dont wear colours cos the ****en atmosphere in there was horrible.

I dont bother goin out at all on Derby night now, just cant be arsed with all the ****.

[rodo]

funny how the scousers amongst us are the ones who have all said how horrible it is mixing with bluenoses

[RedJedi]

It is tho, i will be Sat in mine on Saturday and hear sirens all afternoon, at least 3 or 4 pubs will get shut by the bizzies.

Its not too bad if its a draw or if we get beat. But if we win its ****en horrible.

[Red_hot]

Funnily enough, whenever I've watched the derby anywhere in Liverpool it's always been sound. No fights, just banter and a generally good atmosphere.

[bazza76]

Excellent post Sir Bob.

[RedJedi]

Maybe its not too bad away from the grounds, but i live right next to Woodison, so i guess people are still fuming when they get into the pub.

[lfcruleus]

Good thread with many good points, Im an "out of towner" who now lives up here, works in Liverpool and goes to most games home and away. I stopped going to Goodison after the Gary Mac game too, I thought i was gonna die when he scored (I was in the Gwladys Street).

I put most of the hatred from them down to the younger generation 16-22 ish year olds being basically nobheads, we have plenty too as i see every time i go away or to Cardiff/Istanbul for example (we had some on the pitch in the charity shield). The older generation Evertonians who i am still friends with still have a laugh about the derby before and after.
I actually dont "Hate" Everton or Chelsea for that matter the only team that really wind me up is the mancs. i hate losing the derby cos of all the wind ups afterwards but i also work in Manchester some times and ive thrown sickies other than go to work if we lose to those ****s. (I used to book holidays after the OT game every year in the nineties).
The older Evertonians blame us for the demise of thier club (tongue in cheek)but the younger ones actually believe it and as the youth of today arent taught about respect for anyone it spills over (on both sides).
Our young fans are no better than the Blue****e/mancs who sing about Hillsborough or Heysel, I saw one of ours last year for the Man U home game with a Liverpool away shirt with 58 Munich on the back.

I only see it going one way and that will eventually mean no away fans for these games as eventually something major will happen and the press will get hold of it. Every year there is agro at OT and every derby there is agro in town after.

At the end of the day one word sums it up Jealousy.

[Red_hot]

It's annoys me abit though the way everyone blames the Evertonians for every bit of trouble as if all Liverpool fans are completely innocent of everything. That's balls. I come from Liverpool and have family and friends who are Evertonians, none of which are anything like the way some describe them.

[RedJedi]

Some of my best mates are blues, some of them even go the match .

They dont cause trouble, yeah we have banter and we rip each other, but we drink in different pubs on Derby day.

We have just as many knob heads as them, in fact i have nearly end up fighting Liverpool fans trying to protect Everton fans who were totaly out numberd and gettin picked on for nothing