I like the way..

[Pacman]

Oh..right. Sorry. Let's not bother trying to win it then. OK.

What are you going on about.

The premier league is the same as the old first division which we won 18 times. Just because it had a name change doesn't make it any better or worse from the league we've won more than anyone else.

It's a typical Manc response 'You may have won the league 18 times but you've never won the premier league' So what isn't it just the same competition but it's now got a fancy name?

[Shaggy]

Did you know that there was football before the Premier league?

Haha. I was gonna say. We’ve won it 18 ****ing times. We just haven’t won it since they changed the name.

[Elvis]

Look fella, it's really rude to accuse others of not being objective because you don't agree with them. It's also really not much use lumping together a whole load of posts into one impressionistic stream-of-consciousness splurge rather than making it clear what particular points you don't agree with.

Plenty of people have agreed Wenger is an excellent manager. It's a question of how fallible he is.

As for comments on Arsenal fans, I know plenty. Some are objectionable when talking about football in a way they weren't a few years ago. Oh, and they tend not to give credit to Benitez either.

Capito?

I don't understand your first paragraph. As for your last one - I agree. But, how can we complain about not getting deserved credit when this thread shows that some LFC fans are just as touchy when it comes to praising other managers? What I'm saying is: we need more of this sort of praise or others (when worthy), not less. The slagging off of other teams (or refusing to credit them) is part of the Mourinhoisation of football. The Liverpool way is clapping the away goalie. Long may it continue.

[dww]

What are you going on about.

The premier league is the same as the old first division which we won 18 times. Just because it had a name change doesn't make it any better or worse from the league we've won more than anyone else.

It's a typical Manc response 'You may have won the league 18 times but you've never won the premier league' So what isn't it just the same competition but it's now got a fancy name?

To be fair it does highlight how long we haven't won the highest domestic league title for, which was his original point (although he expressed it in Sky speak which was unfortunate).

I'm not sure why I'm not allowed to find any group of people objectionable because of this fact though.

[Shaggy]

I don't understand your first paragraph. As for your last one - I agree. But, how can we complain about not getting deserved credit when this thread shows that some LFC fans are just as touchy when it comes to praising other managers? What I'm saying is: we need more of this sort of praise or others (when worthy), not less. The slagging off of other teams (or refusing to credit them) is part of the Mourinhoisation of football. The Liverpool way is clapping the away goalie. Long may it continue.

I think almost everyone in this thread has “clapped the away goalie”, so to speak. Some of us have clapped him but added that he is not an infallible supermanager.

[Elvis]

What are you going on about.

The premier league is the same as the old first division which we won 18 times. Just because it had a name change doesn't make it any better or worse from the league we've won more than anyone else.

It's a typical Manc response 'You may have won the league 18 times but you've never won the premier league' So what isn't it just the same competition but it's now got a fancy name?

The point is that many LFC fans think we are great right now. I don't, and won't until we win what used to be our bread and butter. I used to watch Rush and Dalglish. I know what great is. And by the way - if a Manc says something, does that automatically make it wrong??

[Yozza]

We haven't EVER one the Premier League.

One of the most stupid posts I've ever read...

I forget of course, SKY invented football - there was nothing before then...

[Neil Young]

I don't understand your first paragraph. As for your last one - I agree. But, how can we complain about not getting deserved credit when this thread shows that some LFC fans are just as touchy when it comes to praising other managers? What I'm saying is: we need more of this sort of praise or others (when worthy), not less. The slagging off of other teams (or refusing to credit them) is part of the Mourinhoisation of football. The Liverpool way is clapping the away goalie. Long may it continue.

My first paragraph is about the fact you referred to a comment I made and then lumped it in with lots of other comments I didn't make. I also don't go on about how we're the best and am happy to credit big teams who win things and little teams who play well.

I see where you're coming from more clearly now although I think the opening poster got Wenger's achievements slightly out of perspective and I agree with you about the Liverpool way.

[enema of the state]

Wenger has refused to spend on garbage players just to appease the fans. he waited, Ok had a couple of poor seasons, but he refused to spend money on players that would not be around for years to come. He has now a masive transfer kitty, plus new backers coming in. Benitez has just tried to fill holes with the likes of crouch, pennant, Kuty, Voronin, (free), bellamy. And Wenger still has a better balanced team without spending big.........

remind me, how mant times has wenger won the champions league?

[Pacman]

The point is that many LFC fans think we are great right now. I don't, and won't until we win what used to be our bread and butter. I used to watch Rush and Dalglish. I know what great is. And by the way - if a Manc says something, does that automatically make it wrong??

What about pre Istanbul? So our 4 European cups didn't count until 2005 because we hadn't won the champions league? At the end of the day our fans are a lot more respectful than anyone else's. Henry last season when he got subbed got applauded off. I was at a Chelsea game when Desially(sp) got sent off but he had been that good throughout the game he got a standing ovation. I very much doubt things like that happen at other clubs. At the end of the day however this is a Liverpool forum and we are not here to wank off other teams and their managers.

[enema of the state]

Is this a wind up?! You'd actually rather have Cisse on the wing than Pennant??

neither cisse nor pennant is (or ever will be) good enough to be a permenant fixture at RM in the lfc side

[enema of the state]

One thing that was particularly noticeable against Birmingham was them sitting in their wide men almost as wingbacks to deny the wingers space. Reading & Sunderland also did this against Man United one succeeded the other team almost did

horse****

what was particularly noticeable against birmingham was how often our wide players had PLENTY of space but consistently put in crosses of extremely poor quality

[enema of the state]

Hes done a good job, however some are talking like they have already won the League

I tend to think they dont have enough depth in their squad and an injury to one of their key players (such as Fabregas) could cause their wheels to fall off

theyre 4 points clear of us after a few games - big deal. arsenal will struggle to break down sides who employ tactics like birmingham did at anfield. they already did v blackburn and man city.

they are WAY short of runaway winners

[Pacman]

I've just read back through the posts on this thread and I'm ranting like a berk. It's the drink at lunch time you see I'm not used to it.

FAO Elvis welcome to est1892

[zimbo]

FAO Elvis welcome to est1892

I think he may have left the building.