Xabi Alonso and our lack of goals

[El Jefecito]

Xabi + El Jefecito. Just looks like Albelda + Baraja all over again. Theydid pretty well.

[Nic83]

Carheex, you're the Paul Merson of Est posters.

That's one of the funniest lines I've seen on an internet forum!!

[Nic83]

Carheex, why do you use semi-colons instead of apostrophes?

[carheex]

This odious obnoxious idiot Carheex needs telling - one of the most respected posters in Lec has come on here extolling the virtues of Alonso, but this moron wants to persist with his anti-Alonso agenda and spout crap about how "Gerrard is 10 times the player that Alonso is in every aspect". And he gets offended and starts throwing personal insults around when it is rightly suggested (implicitly I might add) that he knows nothing about football .

Carheex, come here and list one-by-one all of the aspects in which Gerrard is a better player than Alonso please if you could. Justify your preposterous hyperbole.

Carheex, you're the Paul Merson of Est posters.

LOL - you know the bit where you accuse me of throwing insults around..? I suggest you get a dictionary out and look up "h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e"....and then shove said dictionary up your backside!
I certainly didn't realise we all had to agree with "Lec". Whoever Lec and his army of appreciaters are, I'm sure even they don't think that we should all share the same opinion.
I can't make out whether you're a wind up merchant or just a muppet. Help me out can you?

[bazza76]

Don't disagree the questions really are:

1/ Is he an impact player or can he set the tempo of the team?
2/ Is he able to perform the role that Rafa expects of a CM?
3/ Is he able to control and guide a game?
4/ Is he the best at getting the most of the players around him?
5/ Is he more an individual or a team player?

If you ponder each of these questions it seems obvious that he should be deployed somewhere other than CM!

Id say.
1. He can set the tempo in the attacking third, and move attack into another gear, rather than setting the tempo of the whole team.
2. Well, thats debatable, I would not say to 100% satisfaction, then again, I would say, Rafa is that much of a perfectionist, nobody can, I would say, Alonso is much closer to be the ideal Rafa holding player.
3. See No. 1
4. Well I don't know really, He is not of the class of inspiration leader KEane was for the scum, but thats a big ask. He leads by example and does bitch alot, I don't like the bitching. It is not god for team morale on the pitch.
5. I would say a bit of both, he is a great individual, and can actually be a team player.

After pondering, I/d play him in a position in advanced midfield, be in centraly or wide advanced.

[Dhav]

LOL - you know the bit where you accuse me of throwing insults around..? I suggest you get a dictionary out and look up "h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e"....and then shove said dictionary up your backside!
I certainly didn't realise we all had to agree with "Lec". Whoever Lec and his army of appreciaters are, I'm sure even they don't think that we should all share the same opinion.
I can't make out whether you're a wind up merchant or just a muppet. Help me out can you?

You're the one who started throwing the insults around, and credit to you, you got me to rise to the bait. So well done. Excellent provocation tactics.

I see you've dodged the issue at hand, which is for you to justify your comments that "Gerrard is 10 times the player that Alonso is in every aspect".

Back them up if you can :whatever:

PS No one is saying that everyone should agree with Lec, but no one should be dismissive of his views either, as he probably knows more about football than me or you combined.

[AFII]

After pondering, I/d play him in a position in advanced midfield, be in centraly or wide advanced.

That is his best position(s) but that position(s) don't exist in Rafa's system. We would need to play with three central midfielders or with one left, one right attacker and one striker to get the best out of him.

We don't do that at the moment.

------------------xxxx
xxxx--------xxxx--------xxxx------xxxx
-------------xxxx-----xxxx------
xxxx-------------Gerrard---------xxxx
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or

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xxxx---------xxxx------xxxx------xxxx
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---------xxxx-----------xxxx
----Gerrard-----------------xxxx
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The x is not kisses.

[carheex]

You're the one who started throwing the insults around, and credit to you, you got me to rise to the bait. So well done. Excellent provocation tactics.

I see you've dodged the issue at hand, which is for you to justify your comments that "Gerrard is 10 times the player that Alonso is in every aspect".

Back them up if you can :whatever:

PS No one is saying that everyone should agree with Lec, but no one should be dismissive of his views either, as he probably knows more about football than me or you combined.

You really are having a laugh!! You and your cohort Nic83 had slated me several times in this thread before I'd even posted a single comment so don't accuse me of starting abuse and provoking you - grow up!!

I really don't know what you expect me to say. I can't "prove" Gerrard is a better player than Alonso anymore than you can prove the opposite - it's all about opinions, and that is where you really struggle in an adult debate...failure to accept and respect opinions without resorting to abuse. And as for this "Lec" hero of yours - I thought he was just another poster here, not some kind of webgod with superior knowledge and wisdom. I've seen no evidence of his genius, neither have i heard nayone esle refer to him in such high esteem as you do.
You go ahead and worship to your hearts content but try and keep the abuse to a minimum. If you don't/can't respect other people's opinions then why are you on a football discussion forum??? As i said, it does make one wonder whether you're a windup merchant.

[NICKZS]

I really don't know what you expect me to say. I can't "prove" Gerrard is a better player than Alonso anymore than you can prove the opposite - it's all about opinions, and that is where you really struggle in an adult debate...failure to accept and respect opinions without resorting to abuse. And as for this "Lec" hero of yours - I thought he was just another poster here, not some kind of webgod with superior knowledge and wisdom. I've seen no evidence of his genius, neither have i heard nayone esle refer to him in such high esteem as you do.
You go ahead and worship to your hearts content but try and keep the abuse to a minimum. If you don't/can't respect other people's opinions then why are you on a football discussion forum??? As i said, it does make one wonder whether you're a windup merchant.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[carheex]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

You could do with checking the history of the thread before making ill informed sarcastic comments aswell.
Suggested reading - page 1 of this thread - how many times was i referred to before posting a single comment?! :whatever:

[bazza76]

That is his best position(s) but that position(s) don't exist in Rafa's system. We would need to play with three central midfielders or with one left, one right attacker and one striker to get the best out of him.

We don't do that at the moment.

------------------xxxx
xxxx--------xxxx--------xxxx------xxxx
-------------xxxx-----xxxx------
xxxx-------------Gerrard---------xxxx
------------------xxxx

or

------------------xxxx
xxxx---------xxxx------xxxx------xxxx
------------------xxxx
---------xxxx-----------xxxx
----Gerrard-----------------xxxx
------------------xxxx

The x is not kisses.

well done covering your back with the kisses remark. You have to on this site.
Si in short, we have not got a proper position for Stevie that suits him?.
I don't think that is true to be honest, there is no real rigid formation really in a game of football, players will take up positions based on where their opponents are, and the best ways to attack and defend. I don't think Gerrard neds to hug the touch line to play wide, I would like to see him mix it up, which he does. I also think he can play ahead of someone like Alonso in central midfield, it is harder to achieve with both Mascher and Alonso behind him, but they both don't have to play every game.

[carheex]

Good point - all the arguments are kind of moot when you consider the amount of rotation that goes on. Whether you're a gerrard, alonso, mascherano, sissoko, leiva fan, they're all going to get plenty of games anyway.

[NICKZS]

You could do with checking the history of the thread before making ill informed sarcastic comments aswell.
Suggested reading - page 1 of this thread - how many times was i referred to before posting a single comment?! :whatever:

What can I say? Your reputation precedes you, and I don't think you can blame people for pre-empting an Alonso bashing from yourself. It is an irritatingly frequent, and unnecessary, occurence.

[Dhav]

You really are having a laugh!! You and your cohort Nic83 had slated me several times in this thread before I'd even posted a single comment so don't accuse me of starting abuse and provoking you - grow up!!

I really don't know what you expect me to say. I can't "prove" Gerrard is a better player than Alonso anymore than you can prove the opposite - it's all about opinions, and that is where you really struggle in an adult debate...failure to accept and respect opinions without resorting to abuse. And as for this "Lec" hero of yours - I thought he was just another poster here, not some kind of webgod with superior knowledge and wisdom. I've seen no evidence of his genius, neither have i heard nayone esle refer to him in such high esteem as you do.
You go ahead and worship to your hearts content but try and keep the abuse to a minimum. If you don't/can't respect other people's opinions then why are you on a football discussion forum??? As i said, it does make one wonder whether you're a windup merchant.

I haven't asked you to prove that Gerrard is better than Alonso, all I've asked you to do is justify your comments that "Gerrard is 10 times better than Alonso in every aspect" by listing these "aspects" that you allude to. List all the attiributes that Gerrard has in which he is 10 times better than Alonso, eg passing, tackling etc. The way I see it you should be mentioning every characteristic of a footballer, and saying that Gerrard is 10 times better than Alsono in each case - if I read your comments correctly.

Explain to me where I have venerated Lec in to God-like status? All I have said is that he is a respected poster who is extremely knowledgable about football and his views should be considered before you spout out nonsense to the effect that Alonso x 10 = Gerrard.

I see there is no point in continuing this battle of wits with you which you have clearly enterred into compeltely unarmed, as your tactics appear to consist solely of twisting other people's comments to suit your own ends.

[AFII]

well done covering your back with the kisses remark. You have to on this site.
Si in short, we have not got a proper position for Stevie that suits him?.
I don't think that is true to be honest, there is no real rigid formation really in a game of football, players will take up positions based on where their opponents are, and the best ways to attack and defend. I don't think Gerrard neds to hug the touch line to play wide, I would like to see him mix it up, which he does. I also think he can play ahead of someone like Alonso in central midfield, it is harder to achieve with both Mascher and Alonso behind him, but they both don't have to play every game.

It's strange that Rafa use the system he do now. We only have one excellent striker and have a lot of central midfieldes that need to play.

Our best system on paper would be....
-------------------Reina
Finnan--------Carra------Agger------Arbeloa
-------------------Mascherano
------------Alonso-------------Gerrard------
--------Kuyt----------------------Babel----
----------------------Torres---------------

That would also fit our "backup" players.