Kuyt....

[kewellnthegang]

I ****in hate that manc word with a passion

its usually said by a pre school hoodie

[The Erectile Banana]

Think you've missed my point. He was our top scorer in the league last season, but people want to use stats against him to make it look like they're being objective. So they narrow the criteria to suit their own view. We really don't learn much from those kind of stats. I think if people are going to argue for or against Kuyt they need to talk about his goalscoring ability and game overall rather than cherry picking what suits them.

I have consistantly said that Kuyt's assets make him a good 3rd choice striker for us, but that we can and should do better for a first choice player. I've also consistantly said that I think Rafa is using him in a role that fails to get anything like the best from him, and in fact is to the detriment of his overall game. I don't think there's anything deluded about that really. But unfortunately it seems you have to subscribe to one extreme or another on here, even if you don't, you're responded to as though you do.

I think you are speaking a certain amount sense there Red Polo.

I agree that the role he is being used in doesn't play to his strengths and I agree he's not bad as a squad player.

However, you said people are cherry picking stats to suit their point of view. Surely this is what you are doing when you point to his scoring total from last season. I don't have any anti Kuyt agenda. I like the lad, and have always backed him since his debut against Westv Ham last season.

Having said that no amount of statistics and twisting of facts can hide the fact that Kuyt has been very, very poor this season and a return of no league goals from open play isn't good enough for a Liverpool striker at this stage of the season.

I am not subscribing to any extremes. I am not a Kuyt basher or lover. I am merely trying to post objectively about a player who seems to have become a very divisive figure on these forums.

I still hope that Kuyt can overcome his current form and succeed at Anfield but I do not think the signs are good.

[carheex]

I ****in hate that manc word with a passion

Manc word?? Never heard them being "credited" with it.

[Red_Polo]

Can I just say FLMAO @ the idea of Kuyt being a 'bottler'

Say what you want about the guy's skill level or suitability for us, but the man has big cojones and is always prepared to put them on the chopping block for the team.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Can I just say FLMAO @ the idea of Kuyt being a 'bottler'

Say what you want about the guy's skill level or suitability for us, but the man has big cojones and is always prepared to put them on the chopping block for the team.

So when he's standing on the egde of the D looking like a rabbit in headlights when a cross comes in, he's not bottling it?

[kewellnthegang]

i cant beleive people can not see it

he is no feckin good

thats all you can say about him

[mchaggis]

uhm, alrite, he was defo ****e yesterday but I havn't found anyone saying anything about SG. He was defo worse than Kuyt. Yossi and Xabi are the only mids that can bring the ball forward. SG stops it every time (oh and that Kuyt chance that SG ****ed up? That was just brutally stupid. And hes on 130+k/week? If a 12yo kid does that he deserves all the ****offs for not using his head)

[kopdan]

but there has to be some end product doesnt there?

Kuyt is here to score goals.

I'd love it if he started scoring on regular occasions but I dont see it.

[Red_Polo]

I think you are speaking a certain amount sense there Red Polo.

I agree that the role he is being used in doesn't play to his strengths and I agree he's not bad as a squad player.

However, you said people are cherry picking stats to suit their point of view. Surely this is what you are doing when you point to his scoring total from last season. I don't have any anti Kuyt agenda. I like the lad, and have always backed him since his debut against Westv Ham last season.

Having said that no amount of statistics and twisting of facts can hide the fact that Kuyt has been very, very poor this season and a return of no league goals from open play isn't good enough for a Liverpool striker at this stage of the season.

I am not subscribing to any extremes. I am not a Kuyt basher or lover. I am merely trying to post objectively about a player who seems to have become a very divisive figure on these forums.

I still hope that Kuyt can overcome his current form and succeed at Anfield but I do not think the signs are good.

Well, that's what I was trying to get at with that stat, neither one of those two tell the whole story. By the way when I was talking about people taking extreme stances or assuming that others do, I didn't mean to infer that was something you do

I know what you mean when you say you've lost patience, because it is seriously frustrating to watch a player's form spiral. Way I see it, if Kuyt is kept in his current role he won't be any great success, he doesn't have the assets for it.

If Rafa plays him alongside another striker rather than way behind one, we might start to see we've got ourselves a handy player. OK, one who isn't creative or clinical enough to be an ideal first choice by any means, but is capable of coming in when needed, putting a bit of scrap back into our play, getting the best out of those around him, and chipping in with a reasonable number of goals and assists as he goes. If he continues to be used in his current role I can see that looking an increasingly distant prospect, and him eventually leaving.

So when he's standing on the egde of the D looking like a rabbit in headlights when a cross comes in, he's not bottling it?

Kuyt's current lack of confidence in aspects of his game doesn't equate to him just being a bottler in my eyes, no. I would have thought bottler is the last thing people would level at him, especially after the way he stepped up for those two high pressure pens in the derby.

[kop-al-74]

Hasn't Kuyt got the better scoring record in holland over the past 3 years though? Huntelaar could turn out to be even worse! :shudders:

If you get a chance to see him,you'll know what i mean.I have watched him for a few years now and i think he will suite our team very well.Very skillful,great first touch,good in the air and also knows when to pass the ball.This guy is really good.He just needs that big move ala Berbatov.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Kuyt's current lack of confidence in aspects of his game doesn't equate to him just being a bottler in my eyes, no. I would have thought bottler is the last thing people would level at him, especially after the way he stepped up for those two high pressure pens in the derby.

Yes he took those penalties well, as he did against Chelsea in May.

Still think when it comes to getting into positions to score he bottles it.

He's not a forward for me, or rather he doesn't think like one, move like one or have the instincts of one.

And as for playing him as a link player? It's utterly laughable. He might be the worst number 10 ever. No skill, no guile, no creativity and no pace. Absolute nothing player if ever there was one.

[kop-al-74]

Well, that's what I was trying to get at with that stat, neither one of those two tell the whole story. By the way when I was talking about people taking extreme stances or assuming that others do, I didn't mean to infer that was something you do

I know what you mean when you say you've lost patience, because it is seriously frustrating to watch a player's form spiral. Way I see it, if Kuyt is kept in his current role he won't be any great success, he doesn't have the assets for it.

If Rafa plays him alongside another striker rather than way behind one, we might start to see we've got ourselves a handy player. OK, one who isn't creative or clinical enough to be an ideal first choice by any means, but is capable of coming in when needed, putting a bit of scrap back into our play, getting the best out of those around him, and chipping in with a reasonable number of goals and assists as he goes. If he continues to be used in his current role I can see that looking an increasingly distant prospect, and him eventually leaving.



Kuyt's current lack of confidence in aspects of his game doesn't equate to him just being a bottler in my eyes, no. I would have thought bottler is the last thing people would level at him, especially after the way he stepped up for those two high pressure pens in the derby.

I'd call him many other things but, bottler? That he is not i'm afraid.

Not good enough?Yes imo.

But the guy never hides or goes missing in a football match.Always looking for the ball and unfortunatly getting it delivered to him only to mess it up.

Not a bottler though.

[the rev leeroy brown]

anyone remember dennis bergkamp???

did he score a shed load of goals....did he bollox!!

the man was more about getting the ball and settting up chances/starting play.

i'm not saying kyut is as good as bergkamp (i'm not that daft) but he plays a similar role and lets not forget bergkamp was roundly booed by arsenal fans for two full seasons before he became good.

kyut is only 1 full season and 11 games into his lfc career.....lets give him a chance to come good!!

[kop-al-74]

anyone remember dennis bergkamp???

did he score a shed load of goals....did he bollox!!

the man was more about getting the ball and settting up chances/starting play.

i'm not saying kyut is as good as bergkamp (i'm not that daft) but he plays a similar role and lets not forget bergkamp was roundly booed by arsenal fans for two full seasons before he became good.

kyut is only 1 full season and 11 games into his lfc career.....lets give him a chance to come good!!

You sound very daft to even mention the 2 in the same text!

[the rev leeroy brown]

i'm not trying to say kyut is better, or that he'll became as good......just saying give him a chance!

he could be our bergkamp!