Fans gone mad?

[Craig_H]

Grow up. No-one has their eyes closed. No one thinks that there are not problems. We can all see that. It's just that some rather than just start whinging and getting depressed, try to work out why things are bad, once they've done that they see that the resolution to the problems is quite simple.

If there is any ignorance around here, it's that of those that refuse to acknowledge that the situation is temporary and is caused by some very simple issues (injuries, form, etc).

So what happens then if, god forbid, Agger and Torres sustained serious injuries and are out for the rest of the season. Would we have to accept a mid-table/8th placed finish?

[Craig_H]

I'm with you mate, what I don't understand is that Rotation and got us a CL cup, another final, an FA Cup and our highest ever points. Thats HARD EVIDENCE that rotation works. Yet, people with nothing over than emotional ramblings, claim it is the root of all evil.

Maybe I'm too rational, but I can't see any rational basis for holding the rotation=failure belief. Except of course, in the case where people decide to adopt the opinions of the press rather than draw their own conclusions.

How do CL finals and FA Cup wins (along with a points tally that was nowhere near good enough to take the title) prove that rotation is the way to win the league?

[The Glove]

How do CL finals and FA Cup wins (along with a points tally that was nowhere near good enough to take the title) prove that rotation is the way to win the league?

Fergie and Jose won leagues with it.

[Craig_H]

'Always with the negative waves DJS. Have a little faith baby, have a little faith.'

I'm just going by what IS happening, as opposed to what MIGHT happen.

There's little point in speculating, i can only react to the realities, rather than what may or may not be.

[El Jefecito]

Other clubs have had injuries and poor form too. Some manage to grind out boring 1-0 wins on the bounce until their players return from injury and to form.

So how did Manure do w/o Ronaldo and Rooney?

[Craig_H]

To many assumptions mate. We dont know what the reason is for the dip in form, and no one gets every decision right or wrong. So you cant say that "the SAME wrong decisions keep being made" now can you. Two can play this game you know.

It doesnt really matter what the reasons are, unless it's beyond solution - which it isnt IMO.

Ok, Torres, Xabi and Agger are big players for us, and no one can deny it.

But even without those three, either we have good enough other players to still be superior to most opponents and therefore generally beat them. Or we dont have good enough other players.

If we do, then the manager isnt using them properly, as results suggest.

If we dont then, after over 3 years in charge, who else do you blame BUT the man who's been signing them?

[El Jefecito]

So what happens then if, god forbid, Agger and Torres sustained serious injuries and are out for the rest of the season. Would we have to accept a mid-table/8th placed finish?

NO, we'd have to accept that we would not be as good as if they were in the first team!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Craig_H]

Fergie and Jose won leagues with it.

They also seemingly selected players of a sufficient ability to sign and use in their rotation systems. Either that, or they usually made wiser choices when it came to deciding which games to rotate and who to rotate in them.

[El Jefecito]

How do CL finals and FA Cup wins (along with a points tally that was nowhere near good enough to take the title) prove that rotation is the way to win the league?

Seems to me to prove that it is not an issue. Can you prove otherwise, or is it a function of you depressiveness / lack of medication.

I have facts, you have, ......?

[Craig_H]

NO, we'd have to accept that we would not be as good as if they were in the first team!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Naturally we would not be as good.

So would finishing outside the top 4 be acceptable in those circumstances then?

Because so far, people are saying our form is ok, because those 3 are injured.

So if they were out for the season, would finishing 5th/7th/9th etc be acceptable too?

[Craig_H]

Seems to me to prove that it is not an issue. Can you prove otherwise, or is it a function of you depressiveness / lack of medication.

I have facts, you have, ......?

How does it prove anything, when the example competitions you use bear no resemblance to the Premier League?

Rotation can work in cup competitions, but the nature of a league competition is vastly different, as are the requirements to win it.

[El Jefecito]

Naturally we would not be as good.

So would finishing outside the top 4 be acceptable in those circumstances then?

Because so far, people are saying our form is ok, because those 3 are injured.

So if they were out for the season, would finishing 5th/7th/9th etc be acceptable too?

What is your BASIS/FACTS for assuming that this will happen?

[tomasjj]

Naturally we would not be as good.

So would finishing outside the top 4 be acceptable in those circumstances then?

Because so far, people are saying our form is ok, because those 3 are injured.

So if they were out for the season, would finishing 5th/7th/9th etc be acceptable too?

I'm just going by what IS happening, as opposed to what MIGHT happen.

There's little point in speculating, i can only react to the realities, rather than what may or may not be.

You like to speculate towards the negative and not the positive obviously.

[Craig_H]

What is your BASIS/FACTS for assuming that this will happen?

Our current form has left us in 7th place. People are saying our current form is due to the injuries and will improve when the players return.

So if they didnt return this season, what would change to improve our form, in their absence?

[Craig_H]

I'm just going by what IS happening, as opposed to what MIGHT happen.

There's little point in speculating, i can only react to the realities, rather than what may or may not be.

You like to speculate towards the negative and not the positive obviously.

If i'm speculating, i'm doing so based on what is currently happening.

If what was happening now was all positive, you could justifiably speculate towards the positive with something REAL and current to base it on.