Right, so these match winners i've been banging on about...

[Sir Bob]

I'm with DJS on this one, we have only 2 consistent match winners in SG & now Torres. Utd clearly have at least 3 in Tevez, Rooney & Ronaldo but what they also have are players like Saha, Giggs & Scholes who contribute their fair share. Saha when fit contributes more than our other strikers and Giggs is still better than any of our wingers.

Chelsea are very much like us, if you stop Drogba & Lampard then you stop much of their threat. For us if SG & Torres don't score then more often than not we struggle. Utd simply have more goal scoring options than we do.

[El Diego]

It's just that you seemed to get wound up by some of the other people on this thread.

[Craig_H]

It's just that you seemed to get wound up by some of the other people on this thread.

Nah i'm fine mate.

[thekop]

It's all well and good talking about these match winning players, the problem is it's blooly hard to sign them. It took us 2 yrs to sign torres. Ronaldo's and Ronaldino's are thin on the ground and every chelski, manure and arse in world football are also trying to sign them.

Agreed Tom

[Craig_H]

Sure it's hard to sign them. It's hard to win the title too. Should we just shrug our shoulders and not try then?

[Rocket]

Bellamy better than Rooney

finally, you've posted something sensible

[keniget]

We haven't got enough matchwinners in the team.

We need another couple players like Torres.

It's nothing new really.

[Nic83]

Consistant match winners.

Torres
Stevie

I think Babel will turn into one.he has got 2 lethal feet and is a massive danger anywhere around the box. Benayoun possibly. Kewell could be if he ever got a run of games under his belt.

Lil Luis was most definitely one.

[Nic83]

Stevie, Alonso, Kewell, Torres, Benayoun, Babel and probably Lucas if you take into consideration what he did in the derby.

[Nic83]

I'd also say that Carra is a consistant match winner in another sense.

[Chrono]

Why are people sugusting SWP or joe cole, we should be looking at players like Quaresma, people with genuine talent. Not just a good premiership player.

Don't know about SWP but Joe Cole is easily twice the player Quaresma is regardless of what people think of Joe.

[Fiddy]

To clarify fiddy...consistent world class matchwinners - players who, on a fairly regular basis, pop up and make the difference to win us a game we'd have probably otherwise drawn.

So, we're talking your Stevie Gerrards and Fernando Torres'...

Not people who have ONCE or TWICE produced a winning goal.

To give you an example, last season, Cristiano Ronaldo scored 8 winning goals, which equates to 16 points. THAT is the kind of thing i'm on about. Gerrard has been doing it for us for years, Torres is now starting to as well.

Do you not consider Pepe a 'consistent world class match winner' then?

[Alpha]

I would say the following Premiership players are match-winners (in an attacking sense, at least).

Man Utd
Rooney
Ronaldo
Tevez

Arsenal
Fabregas
Van Persie

Man City
Elano

Chelsea
Drogba
Lampard

Liverpool
Gerrard
Torres

Portsmouth

Blackburn

Aston Villa

Everton
Cahill

West Ham

Newcastle
Owen

Reading

Fulham

Tottenham
Berbatov

Birmingham

Sunderland

Middlesbrough

Bolton
Anelka

Wigan Athletic

Derby County

They are definately few-and-far between but I wouldn't say they are all necessarily world-class superstars either.

[mersey86]

If we could get Mark Clattenburg to ref for us every week would that count as an extra match-winner.

[desertscouser]

I'm with DJS on this one, we have only 2 consistent match winners in SG & now Torres. Utd clearly have at least 3 in Tevez, Rooney & Ronaldo but what they also have are players like Saha, Giggs & Scholes who contribute their fair share. Saha when fit contributes more than our other strikers and Giggs is still better than any of our wingers.

Chelsea are very much like us, if you stop Drogba & Lampard then you stop much of their threat. For us if SG & Torres don't score then more often than not we struggle. Utd simply have more goal scoring options than we do.

I'm with you and DJS on this one. We have two proper match winners, Torres and Gerrard. Anyone who says different is quite frankly deluding themselves. To be honest having two consistent match winners isn't too shabby. Another 'match winner' like what United have would be a bonus but I think what's even more important is that we buy more players who give us goal scoring options. I think Benayoun's signing was a step in the right direction and Babel's signing was definitely one for the future and I can actually see him becoming a 'match winner' if he does indeed fulfill his potential.

I think we are desperately short of good attacking players and that has to be addressed asap. We need another proper top class striker/forward and for the love of god, we need a **** hot left sided winger.