Rafa backs down?

[Neil Young]

I remember the summer when we had the following according to insiders and the press:

We had no money - Repeated now

Rafa was going to leave - Repeated now

Gillet and Hicks were not talking - Repeated now

We didn't have the money for the new stadium - Repeated now

How many of these insiders and papers were right then?

Possibly all of them but lips were bitten, cracks got papered over and arguments deferred...until recently.

It depends how you choose to interpret what little data we have.

[Red Chilli]

Are you happy that Moores sold out to G&H when you look at what happened the last week?

I'm not.

I backed Moores AFII so you're not going to get me with that one.

Well, I didn't.

He was a very bad businessman and you must be an excellent businessman if you are the Chairman of one of the biggest clubs in the world.

To even consider to build a stadium without any chance to expand it is a complete joke and shows how bad businessman Moores is.

That's one example.

Well someone's confused, I think it might be me but I'm not sure.

[sonsofthedesert]

Possibly all of them but lips were bitten, cracks got papered over and arguments deferred...until recently.

It depends how you choose to interpret what little data we have.

What I am saying is that all these people have no idea like the rest of us but it seems some people take it as gospel and run off with it and add bits.

[AFII]

Lets be honest though you could equally say that Rafa is to blame for the breakdown. If Mourinho had come out in the press in the way he did all hell would have broken loose and he would have been decried for his lack of class. I think there is fault on both sides and you seem determined to only see it on one.

There was no buyer who was going to come in and be everyones fantasy of silent types who backed the manager with FM style budgets while not wanting a say in who was bought. I think that if they get the finances in for the stadium thus far in most respects the owners have done a good job for us.

The current situation is disappointing in so many ways. But to lump the blame entirely with one party (even Parry) is unfair IMO. Having said that I hope that some way is found to keep Rafa long term.

I didn't expect any fantasy budgets. Just a new owner that would back Rafa with around £30m-£40m net/year. That's not fantasy. That's what should be available for a manager at a club like Liverpool.

I also expected our new owner to let Rafa do his job in selling and buying players.

I also expected them to pay for the new stadium, not with loans but with a long term strategy to get the money back from success on the pitch and selling the name of our new stadium.

Nothing more or less than that.

[Red Chilli]

What I am saying is that all these people have no idea like the rest of us but it seems some people take it as gospel and run off with it and add bits.

[calvoboy]

To be honest they've probably all been told to stop talking about the situation in public, and that includes Hicks, so that the press have very little to go on and keep writing about in the hope that we can move forward and carry on our season in relative peace.

The press are just dying for another quote to twist and blow this story wide open again because, to be fair, it's running out of legs already.

Rafa and Pepe were probably told to make sure they never got what they were looking for.

That would make logical sense. Rafa has talked to Parry, Parry to the Owners, (both confirmed in various stories) and maybe even Rafa to the owners (more doubtful). All parties have agreed to shut up and concentrate on their own jobs at the club until the 16th when they discuss what needs to be done for the future.

That would make the December meeting all important, and would suggest that things can still be sorted out, if both sides want to try and work a way through this. This would fit with what Barrett said in the Echo that the owners dismissed the idea that the decision had already been made to sack Rafa, but refused to rule it out in the near future too.

Again, that would make logical sense. For Rafa to continue, the owners would want to hear an apology from Rafa at this meeting for his recent behaviour, and a clear committment that he will get on with the job of managing the team and identifying targets, while Parry is in charge of negotiating deals. This would presumably allow him to work until the end of the season to prove that he can work under those conditions, deliver a title challenge, and not throw his toys out of the pram when he thinks things aren't being done exactly as he would like on the business side of things.

Trouble is, nothing about this has been logical so far, so what are the odds on him still being in charge when the yanks arrive?

[sonsofthedesert]

Well someone's confused, I think it might be me but I'm not sure.

No it isn't you. AFII thinks Moores shouldn't have sold out to G&H but also didn't want him in charge so he must have wanted DIC who didn't want LFC to adhere to laws regarding takeovers and when their demands over time frame weren't met they threw their toys out of the pram. Amazing considering that they wre the ones that dragged thier feet.

[Neil Young]

What I am saying is that all these people have no idea like the rest of us but it seems some people take it as gospel and run off with it and add bits.

Well I don't mind admitting that some journalists will have a better idea of what's going on than I do. The difficulty is, which ones?

I'd agree we can't draw any hard-and-fast conclusions but that cuts both ways.

[alunevans]

Alun Parry needs to change one of his songs for this time of crisis. The chorus should be,

I want Rafa to stay
I want Rafa to staaaaaay
Oh I want Rafa to stay
Not just today, not tomorrow
But forever.

[Red Chilli]

I didn't expect any fantasy budgets. Just a new owner that would back Rafa with around £30m-£40m net/year. That's not fantasy. That's what should be available for a manager at a club like Liverpool.

So that's 15-20 million net per window, right What's the total so far, anyone?

I also expected our new owner to let Rafa do his job in selling and buying players.

That's part of his job, but there are other more important parts. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't keep an eye on the manager. I remember you slatign Moores for letting Houllier spend money on Diouf and Cheyrou.

I also expected them to pay for the new stadium, not with loans but with a long term strategy to get the money back from success on the pitch and selling the name of our new stadium.

Not with loans? So you expect them to pay cash? You're cray/unrealistic

Nothing more or less than that.

Very interesting.

[AFII]

No it isn't you. AFII thinks Moores shouldn't have sold out to G&H but also didn't want him in charge so he must have wanted DIC who didn't want LFC to adhere to laws regarding takeovers and when their demands over time frame weren't met they threw their toys out of the pram. Amazing considering that they wre the ones that dragged thier feet.

I didn't say that I wanted DIC

[sonsofthedesert]

I didn't expect any fantasy budgets. Just a new owner that would back Rafa with around £30m-£40m net/year. That's not fantasy. That's what should be available for a manager at a club like Liverpool.

I also expected our new owner to let Rafa do his job in selling and buying players.

I also expected them to pay for the new stadium, not with loans but with a long term strategy to get the money back from success on the pitch and selling the name of our new stadium.

Nothing more or less than that.

Rafa will still decide who he wants to buy and sell t is just that Parry will do the leg work - his job. You have no idea do you AFII as this is the way the likes of the Scum and most other clubs work, the only 1 I can think of that doesn't is Arsenal at the moment but they used to work like that when Dien was there.

[Helios Creed]

Can't see that being true. My old man knew Jack reasonably well and also knows his son and he thinks he was a decent geezer and they are a nice family. I also know that he took some financial advice from an Asian gentleman at one time so i'd be very surprised if there's anything in that.

I remember at the time it was "reported" thinking it was probably a coincidence. It was before Dahlin signed.

[AFII]

So that's 15-20 million per window, right What's the total so far, anyone?




That's part of his job, but there are other more important parts. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't keep an eye on the manager. I remember you slatign Moores for letting Houllier spend money on Diouf and Cheyrou.

[quoteI also expected them to pay for the new stadium, not with loans but with a long term strategy to get the money back from success on the pitch and selling the name of our new stadium.

Not with loans? So you expect them to pay cash? You're cray/unrealistic



Very interesting.[/QUOTE]

Not loans against the club my mistake.

[sonsofthedesert]

I didn't say that I wanted DIC

SO WHO?
There were no other options.