Mascherano and Gerrard

[Alpha]

Well our fourth striker in terms of minutes played is Crouch with 1042 over 30 games this season so far. On the basis that we have at least 22 to go I'd say he's got to do a lot more than you say....and there is little proof that he is up to it yet. 3 reserve games is bugger all and you know it.

It not so much the idea of replacing Kuyt/Crouch/Voronin with a rookie, it is the suggestion that he has done enough to prove he deserves that chance after a grand total of...

(drum roll)

...3 reserve team games.

[Howard_lfc]

So you actually disagree then?

Certainly do.

[Sir Bob]

I think its been clear for some time that SG & Masher are our no.1 pairing in midfield. Alonso is a fine player but not as good as either SG or Masher. However, we still come back to the question of will Masher be bought and if so is he worth £17m.

If Masher is bought then clearly we are overloaded in CM. On the face of it Momo is the one to be sold but in our current financial position, if Masher is bought could we afford to turn down a £15m+ bid for Alonso?

[tomasjj]

Oh...such a new and refreshing debate this

Masch - Xabi with SG as one of the 3 in 4231

[Robster007]

The present and future of our midfield.

Sorry Xabi.

ooooo controversial.

What about Kuyt?

[AFII]

It not so much the idea of replacing Kuyt/Crouch/Voronin with a rookie, it is the suggestion that he has done enough to prove he deserves that chance after a grand total of...

(drum roll)

...3 reserve team games.

Three reserve team games plus the games in Hungary and for the U20 national team. I don't think those games is any worse than the reserve team games.

[dww]

Forgive me but I said all of this last week and sort of lost the arguement/discussion with Alpha.

But I defo agree Dave. It's Xabi and Stevie all the way for me.

Where is this? I must have missed it.

I'll wade in now on your side

[Alpha]

Three reserve team games plus the games in Hungary and for the U20 national team. I don't think those games is any worse than the reserve team games.

But AFII, you said yourself earlier that you have only seen him play those reserve team games.

And in your mind, that is enough to replace one of our established strikers, is it?

[AFII]

But AFII, you said yourself earlier that you have only seen him play those reserve team games.

And in your mind, that is enough to replace one of our established strikers, is it?

He should be judged from the games he has played in his whole career and not just the three reserve team games, that's my point. Nothing to do with how many games any of us have seen him play.

I don't get it why the sudden his whole career before he joined us don't should count at all

[sean_lfc]

flmao AFII, comedy genius

[sean_lfc]

To add something meaningful:

To all those who think we should replace Mascherano with Alonso, I can only say that is very ill-informed. We had been crying out for Alonso's guile, calmness just a few weeks ago when we weren't at our best in midfield and Masch lost us as much possession as he gained it.

Alonso is a total class act and will be here for a long time. You don't get rid of players like that and I'm very certain Rafa won't either, otherwise he wouldn't have got him in first-thing he got here and kept him here as an integral part of our team.

I would rather, and Im sure Rafa would do it as well, try to finance the Mascherano deal with the sales of players such as Riise or Momo for example (!), before he'd give away one of our most valuable gems, ie. Alonso.

If people even suggest it, just because Masch had a good game, they seem to be mad (Im not saying he's a bad player, not at all, but Alonso is a different player and we need him - without a shadow of a doubt)

[Alpha]

He should be judged from the games he has played in his whole career and not just the three reserve team games, that's my point. Nothing to do with how many games any of us have seen him play.

I don't get it why the sudden his whole career before he joined us don't should count at all

No AFII.

No, no, no.

Listen.

You (AFII) are proposing that Nemeth replace one of our four established first team strikers.

And your justification for this is based on a maximum of 3 games you may or may not have seen him play for the reserves.

Do you see the problem here?

I dare say we have scouts who watched Nemeth play on numerous occasions before he arrived at Melwood and presumably, if they deemed him ready for the first team, they would have reported as such.

Forgive me for trusting their judgment infinitely more than yours. Nemeth didn't suddenly prove himself ready after three appearances for the reserves.

Now he has started playing, he needs some games to establish himself before he can be fast-tracked into the first team squad. How many games? I don't know. But certainly more than 3. Obviously more than 3.

[AFII]

And your justification for this is based on a maximum of 3 games you may or may not have seen him play for the reserves.

I didn't say that.

I said that my justification is based on his whole career and not only the three reserve team games. Nothing to do if I have seen him play or not.

[Alpha]

I didn't say that.

I said that my justification is based on his whole career and not only the three reserve team games. Nothing to do if I have seen him play or not.

Okay mate.

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped bothering trying to explain anything to you.

[Jayesh87]

Lucas is our best passer IMO. Just shows our strength in that position.

Please say you are joking

You are bloody delouded if you think that