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    #2386
    Originally posted by Tom View Post
    I think you'll find that my opinion is the majority opinion on here Darren. I also think you find that I generally back my opinion and disagreements up with evidence. You may not accept the evidence but I don't just rant at people like you suggest.

    Some of us on here are desperately worried about the club. Fortunately some of us are actually making concrete efforts to secure its future.
    And?

    I'm sure you have done, but I can't actually remember the last time you replied to a post with a balanced argument.

    It would be lovely if DIC would announce their plans and we could be sure of lots of player investment, which seems to be the main concern of us all. However, that's just speculation.

    Personally I don't understand how anyone can be so worried to the point of revolt when we don't actually know the full details of the new financing. A sensible time would be in the summer if we spent 50p on players.



    Having said all that, I find DIC's potential takeover very encouraging - but that's based purely on my personal speculation on what they might do. In reality I don't think it will happen, but I also don't think we'll be '****ed' as you hysterically put it.
    Quote of the year :

    "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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      #2387
      Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
      If they get their refinancing it'll just be a case of sitting back and waiting for the Americans to realise they can't afford the repayments. Then they will be selling from a poition of desperation. They will only have to pay the going rate.
      If they bid before the refinancing deadline they will have to give the yanks a lot more money, basically what the Yanks think they can realistically make from the club.
      I can see the logic that it will be cheaper for DIC to wait, unless the Yanks don't get their loan or they BOTH see sense that they are biting off more than they can chew.
      But if they get the huge loans, then DIC buy us for a better price who the **** pays the loans, interest etc.

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        #2388
        Originally posted by REDrascal View Post
        But if they get the huge loans, then DIC buy us for a better price who the **** pays the loans, interest etc.
        DIC
        Originally posted by Gordon Brown
        (1995)
        "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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          #2389
          Originally posted by REDrascal View Post
          But if they get the huge loans, then DIC buy us for a better price who the **** pays the loans, interest etc.
          Um, the club. Unless they can't in which case DIC would have to. (a bit like H&G would have to).
          Quote of the year :

          "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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            #2390
            Originally posted by Shanks65 View Post
            What if Rafa took us to 6th place in the Prem this season, and we went out to Inter in the CL.
            Would you expect DIC to hand over £xxx Million to him in the summer without at least thinking about his future?

            Hypothetically speaking, of course!
            4th place is the minimum, if we dont get 4th he has to go, unless we win the CL again and qualify that way.

            If we dont qualify for CL i dont see how he can stay.
            I know its little, but thats David Banner. Just wait untill you see the Incredible Hulk

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              #2391
              Originally posted by disco View Post
              Um, the club. Unless they can't in which case DIC would have to. (a bit like H&G would have to).
              So how does that make it cheaper & better for DIC.

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                #2392
                Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                If they get their refinancing it'll just be a case of sitting back and waiting for the Americans to realise they can't afford the repayments. Then they will be selling from a poition of desperation. They will only have to pay the going rate.
                If they bid before the refinancing deadline they will have to give the yanks a lot more money, basically what the Yanks think they can realistically make from the club.
                I can see the logic that it will be cheaper for DIC to wait, unless the Yanks don't get their loan or they BOTH see sense that they are biting off more than they can chew.
                If your source is right that DIC want G&H to unveil the stadium plans before the takeover, why wouldn't they also want G&H to complete the re-financing on DIC's terms?

                If DIC always intended to secure their own loan against the club, it would make sense to let G&H face the backlash of doing this so DIC can enter the frame as the good guys.
                It's not good because it's rude. It's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude.

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                  #2393
                  Originally posted by REDrascal View Post
                  So how does that make it cheaper & better for DIC.
                  Cheaper to buy the club, they get the loans, the loans are for cash so they get the cash too.
                  Either way they'll be taking loans out to finance the whole she-bang. Difference is DIC can make the payments AND finance our transfer kitty whereas H&G can't
                  Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                  (1995)
                  "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                    #2394
                    Originally posted by REDrascal View Post
                    So how does that make it cheaper & better for DIC.
                    Doubt it, they'd still get base + 1-2% interest for a guess.

                    They might put in more of their own capital I guess, but that's not the style of a PE firm, so I wouldn't bank on it. It would be a pleasant surprise if they did, however.
                    Quote of the year :

                    "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                      #2395
                      Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                      If your source is right that DIC want G&H to unveil the stadium plans before the takeover, why wouldn't they also want G&H to complete the re-financing on DIC's terms?

                      If DIC always intended to secure their own loan against the club, it would make sense to let G&H face the backlash of doing this so DIC can enter the frame as the good guys.
                      Don't think I've refuted that have I?

                      The scenario you propose could be correct, can't say I know any more info about it though
                      Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                      (1995)
                      "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                        #2396
                        Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                        Cheaper to buy the club, they get the loans, the loans are for cash so they get the cash too.
                        Either way they'll be taking loans out to finance the whole she-bang. Difference is DIC can make the payments AND finance our transfer kitty whereas H&G can't

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                          #2397
                          Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                          Don't think I've refuted that have I?

                          The scenario you propose could be correct, can't say I know any more info about it though
                          There are lots of possible permutations... eg DIC might want any refinancing is put on the club by G&H before any sale so it's not "them" that's done it but the previous owners so DIC don't look bad

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                            #2398
                            Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                            Don't think I've refuted that have I?

                            The scenario you propose could be correct, can't say I know any more info about it though
                            No no - I didn't mean to suggest you had refuted it.

                            I was just expanding on your post.
                            It's not good because it's rude. It's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude.

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                              #2399
                              Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                              No no - I didn't mean to suggest you had refuted it.

                              I was just expanding on your post.
                              Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                              (1995)
                              "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                                #2400
                                I know nothing about business, but to my mind if the debt is placed on the holding company, is the club not an asset of the holding company? meaning the holding company can sell the clubs assets (players, training facilities, ground etc) to service the loan?

                                So effectively by putting the debt on the holding company the fact the debt is on the not on the clubs books is a mere technicality
                                The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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