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    Originally posted by Tomovich View Post
    I just don't understand how you can borrow money to buy something and a year later refinance the same money by putting on the product you bought a year ago...

    When you buy something then isn't it required that you put your OWN money on the table?

    What if we buy a car today with a loan and next year you refinance the loan by putting that on your car. If they claim your car than what have you payed?
    Are you British? Serious question, no sarcasm.

    Anyway, if you are British, you may have heard of PFI. It's the scheme where the cheapskate government doesn't want to spend large tax sums on infrastructure like roads and hospitals and schools. So the government gives that pleasure to a private company.
    It's a great get rich quick scheme, I only wish I'd thought of it, the private company builds the road/hospital/school and leases it out to the government for 30 odd years and then the government owns it after that.

    Relevance? Well here it is, the private company refinances the deal and that's how it makes hundreds of millions of pounds.
    1) The project design/cost is agreed
    2) The private company gets a loan from the bank at an extortionate rate approaching 11-12 % interest.
    3) The private company throws up the buliding/road
    4) The government tarts using it and paying for it based on the cost plus interest at 11-12%
    5) The private company now has colateral (the building/road) AND a guaranteed regular income from the government. So it refinances the deal at a rate of about 5-6%. And the profits roll in from the government (tax payers)

    I imagine this deal has a similar conclusion. When H&G borrowed the money, they had no club and the club had no planning permission for a new ground. Now the club does have that, plus a grant from the EU (IIRC). They'll be able to refinance it on that basis probably.
    Originally posted by Gordon Brown
    (1995)
    "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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      SkySportsNews Understands the refinancing deal has been agreed.

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        From fox sports

        Reds owners to go public soon

        Updated: January 24, 2008, 2:36 PM EST 3 comments

        Liverpool's American owners have again delayed an announcement of a successful refinancing deal but an agreement should be made public soon.

        Co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are on the verge of sealing a £350million package and had been expected to announce today that it had gone through.

        There are no serious hitches however and it is understood the deal is all but signed off, and the announcement will include details of the chosen design for a new stadium at Stanley Park.

        Of the £350million, more than £160million will be debt tied to Liverpool and around £190million covered by Hicks and Gillett's guarantees.

        The £160million figure includes £105million new cash for the club - £65million to kick-start work on the new stadium, and a further sum of £45million of working capital including money for player acquisitions. The remainder is the existing debt the Americans inherited when they took over the club a year ago.

        Hicks and Gillett are insisting however that the other £190million in the refinancing package - to cover their initial cost of buying the club - will not be loaded onto Liverpool.

        Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry and former chairman David Moores, who is still a board member, have made it clear they oppose any of the takeover debt being loaded onto the club.

        Now that doubts over the refinancing deal have evaporated, the Americans - particularly Hicks - face a struggle to win back the fans, not to mention manager Rafael Benitez.

        Supporters staged protests against the owners at Anfield on Monday night, sparked by Hicks' revelation that he had sounded out Jurgen Klinsmann towards the end of last year as a possible successor for Benitez.

        The supporters will also be watching carefully to see what happens to any profits Liverpool make - will they be used to service the club's debt or will a dividend be paid to the Americans' company Kop Holdings to service their debt?

        Meanwhile, chances of Dubai Investment Capital (DIC) taking over Liverpool in the near future seem dead in the water.

        It is understood Hicks spoke at length to DIC about selling up to them but they were unwilling to match his asking price.

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          We are screwd for the foreseeable future.

          boycotts are the answer, sponsors, matches, rbs

          G + Hicks only understand $$$$$$

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            Originally posted by Darkon View Post
            From fox sports


            The £160million figure includes £105million new cash for the club - £65million to kick-start work on the new stadium, and a further sum of £45million of working capital including money for player acquisitions.
            65 + 45 = 110...no?

            Just goes to show that you should never believe a journo...
            Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

            **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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              Originally posted by Pepe View Post
              We are screwd for the foreseeable future.
              Wish I was, I'm feeling a bit barren on the old screwing front recently.

              Hoping to chnge that soon
              Originally posted by Gordon Brown
              (1995)
              "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                Top fella is our Hicksy.

                It is a good thing Dallas Stars owner Tom Hicks is a billionaire. Otherwise, he might not survive the mess he has made of the Dallas franchise. The team, which owns 50% of American Airlines Center, is saddled with $200 million in debt (the team's holding company, Southwest Sports, defaulted on $135 million of debt four years ago), a high payroll, and an under-performing team that can't make it past the first round of the playoffs. The natives have clearly gotten restless, illustrated by sagging ticket sales and waning interest in the Dallas market for the Stars. In the face of this Hicks has actually increased the team's marketing staff to boost ticket sales. What he really needs is a better product.

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                  Has'nt this all got VERY depressing, when they took over i was gutted, i wanted Dic, but i convinced myself they would'nt miss out on such a wealthy owner unless H&G had really trumped them, promises, no contracts even, in place stating the things they would do for us i thought, great thing's i thought. But after all the internal **** they caused so soon into their tenure i was upset, i never really thought Dic would be back, so the news lifted me, empassioned me even to new heights of confidence, i've woke up every day since, hoping today was the day we would pass into DIC's hand's & once & for all get this club back where it belongs. Now though it is just depressing me, it's not over till it's over but the Dic dream is slowly but surely receeding, imo, We'll get the Stadium Designs soon no doubt, big show & more promises from you know who, i expect they'll be good too, but nothing they say or do will change my opinion of them, i've learnt too much about Hicks especially & his past through all this to do that, i could never trust him. Anyway this is just a mild rant from a glum fan, sorry to go over old ground, just wanted to get it off my chest.

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                    Originally posted by PC Plod View Post

                    Dunno if this had been asked before- I lose track of this thread- but I don't see how G&H securing a loan would be prohibitive or even off-putting for DIC. Altho the terms of G&H's loan would obviously be worse than any those DIC could secure, all DIC need to do is secure another loan of their own (at better terms) in order to pay off G&H's RBS one.

                    All that getting a loan does for G&H is buy them a bit of barterting time.

                    Please correct me here if I am wrong.

                    As there seem to be more knowledgable people arounnd now, please cn someone answer the question I posted earlier that kinda got lost?

                    Ta
                    3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                      Originally posted by REDrascal View Post
                      Has'nt this all got VERY depressing, when they took over i was gutted, i wanted Dic, but i convinced myself they would'nt miss out on such a wealthy owner unless H&G had really trumped them, promises, no contracts even, in place stating the things they would do for us i thought, great thing's i thought. But after all the internal **** they caused so soon into their tenure i was upset, i never really thought Dic would be back, so the news lifted me, empassioned me even to new heights of confidence, i've woke up every day since, hoping today was the day we would pass into DIC's hand's & once & for all get this club back where it belongs. Now though it is just depressing me, it's not over till it's over but the Dic dream is slowly but surely receeding, imo, We'll get the Stadium Designs soon no doubt, big show & more promises from you know who, i expect they'll be good too, but nothing they say or do will change my opinion of them, i've learnt too much about Hicks especially & his past through all this to do that, i could never trust him. Anyway this is just a mild rant from a glum fan, sorry to go over old ground, just wanted to get it off my chest.
                      Whilst I agree with your sentiments, a paragraph or 2 wouldnt go amiss mate.

                      3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                        Originally posted by Chris View Post
                        Top fella is our Hicksy.

                        It is a good thing Dallas Stars owner Tom Hicks is a billionaire. Otherwise, he might not survive the mess he has made of the Dallas franchise. The team, which owns 50% of American Airlines Center, is saddled with $200 million in debt (the team's holding company, Southwest Sports, defaulted on $135 million of debt four years ago), a high payroll, and an under-performing team that can't make it past the first round of the playoffs. The natives have clearly gotten restless, illustrated by sagging ticket sales and waning interest in the Dallas market for the Stars. In the face of this Hicks has actually increased the team's marketing staff to boost ticket sales. What he really needs is a better product.

                        http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/31/...rs_315393.html

                        Guess that's what he meant by us freeing up cash for Dallas - he'll buy another club when we get behind in our payments
                        Gillett and Hicks are cunts

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                          Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
                          As there seem to be more knowledgable people arounnd now, please cn someone answer the question I posted earlier that kinda got lost?

                          Ta

                          DIC are interested in buying the club at the right price.

                          By G & h getting this loan they are not under any pressure to sell without making a huge profit. At a price DIC wont pay.

                          The other secanrio would have been G + H defaulting on the initial loan and RBS taking over if they werent able to get the new refinancing.

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                            Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
                            As there seem to be more knowledgable people arounnd now, please cn someone answer the question I posted earlier that kinda got lost?

                            Ta
                            I've heard claims that it makes the club MORE appealing now the finance is in plance, whilst other people have said it strengthens H&G position. The latter seems logical, can't quite word out how the former works.?! (other than the trivial point that it might be easier to transfer the loans rather than take out the loans)
                            Quote of the year :

                            "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                              Originally posted by kurtangle01 View Post
                              65 + 45 = 110...no?

                              Just goes to show that you should never believe a journo...
                              So does that me we had $50 million in debt already
                              "What in the wide, wide world of sports is a-goin' on around here?" - Taggart AKA Slim Pickens in Blazing Saddles

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                                Originally posted by disco View Post
                                I've heard claims that it makes the club MORE appealing now the finance is in plance, whilst other people have said it strengthens H&G position. The latter seems logical, can't quite word out how the former works.?! (other than the trivial point that it might be easier to transfer the loans rather than take out the loans)
                                It is more appealing, but G + H, hold the cards. But they can sell at their price.

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