Top clubs consider overseas games

[carrsim]

i'd just like to add that i have been falling out of love with the game for a long time- i almost gave up after istanbul (as that was what football should be about- guts, effort, pride and everyone pulling together)

but the moment of clarity is coming-it won't be this overseas issue that does it, as ive tried to show there is an argument that it is fair to some of our fanbase.

it will be when rafa gets sacked by 2 blokes who know nothing about the game and who he won't back down too, depsite not only loving the club and fans he works for but also having one of the best managerial records of the 21st century

[alunevans]

Sorry mate, football hasn't been about community for some time. and even now, the idea of community has changed in the modern world. look at the members on this forum from all over the world. the liverpool community especialy is a global thing- i know many scousers have a bit of a problem with that (not saying you are one)

and i'd also be tempted to suggest that the crowds might be louder than your average matchday at anfield- anyone who has been to a local derby with 60,000 in the crowd in Malaysia or Thailand will know what i'm talking about (oh yes, these countries do have hugely supported domestic football as well as a love for english football)

as for doing everything for the biggest market, technically we already do. Asia (for example) don't provide the MOST money, but SOME, therefore they might get ONE game. UK fans provide the MOST, so they get 38 league games and the CL etc etc

and what about the fans who pay but can't get to england? lots of people on this thread are complaining about 1 game to travel to when they live in one of the world's richest countries and the strongest currency on the planet.

there are many red fans who might NEVER get to see their team in action if this doesn't happen (assuming liverpool went to Asia of course) i don't think they should be ignored as you are suggesting ie let them buy the merchandise and let the lucky (richer) fans come to england. how elitist is that?

and i've left your last bit as that is pure speculation on your part. even if the premier league want to do it, logistically it becomes a bit harder to fit more trips into a season calender. (i expect)

its not about elitism. the club belongs in Liverpool. If others want to share it then great. Break that link and you're stuffed.

I don't care how loud they are, how much money they put in, or anything else. Just because community is **** on everywhere including in football doesn't mean it should be taken to the ultimate degree.

And if you really think that the idea of community has changed that much here in Liverpool then you're misinterpreting the nature of the city to be honest.

I'm happy for the club to be shared but it stays here. I think its hugely arrogant for anybody to choose to adopt a community's football club and then think they have the right to undermine that link.

If I had fell in love with Barcelona or Independiente I wouldn't think it was my right to have them wrenched from their core base for my benefit, no matter how much I loved them or how much money I put in. I'd expect to be welcomed into their community of supporters but I'd also realise that they belong where they belong and that the link with the community they sprung from had to be defended.

And the logistics of extending this are piss easy by the way. You just stay there longer, like they do in the World Cup. It'd be very easy to have 6 fixtures each in one particular country by stationing the entire Premier League there. And if it proved more profitable than having those 6 fixtures here, then it would happen.

[Johnny]

While the idea of rewarding foreign supporters appeals to me you know the 39th game we play would be against a bigger team than ManUre or Chelski would play.They`d get Derby and Sunderland we`d get ManC.


It should be done on a super Sunday during a 38 game week when we play ManU and Arsenil play Chelski.It could be arranged to happen once a season with it alternating from home to away games each season.
I`d make it happen early in the season so if you lose you still have a chance to catch up.Aslong as the club was makig 20+mil i`d be happy.
I understand that the locals wouldn`t be happy but there are 19 home games a season in the league plus home cup games,surely you`d allow 1 home game every two seasons to be played abroad for huge financial gain,loads of new supporters that will spend for yrs to come etc.



If I was a local I`d be really pissed with the idea but we could be doing with the money and new fans.

[Fiddy]

considering how much money "foreigner" and people from the "far east" (just call it Asia ffs, we don't live in colonial times anymore) put into our club, i think there is a strong case for giving them the chance to watch their team in action in a match that genuinely means something.

i'm sure before the US ownership went pear shaped, there were a number of people in here talking about how we should be making more of our huge global fanbase. How that as one of the best supported clubs in the world, we lagged far behind in terms of merchandising etc.

i didn't realise that meant "let them buy real replica shirts, pay their TV subscription and just shut up and be drip fed the product like vegetables"

Now if you argue that this idea is all about money, then i'm inclined to agree. but a byproduct might be that some of our genuine fans who can't afford to get to england (the strength of the pound can be a killer for tourists) get to see their team in real action and not just a pre-season friendly.

they are saying an extra 240m over 3 years for revenue. if it went towards helping us sign another torres, finding the next stevie, or even helping us pay off the ****ing interest a bit quicker i'm all for it.

don't confuse the mess that G&H have made with an issue that might benefit thousands of reds from somewhere outside L4 who contribute plenty to the clubs coffers with little reward at present

Wow, someone with a bit of perspective, instead of a hysterical over reaction and thretening to 'give up' on football

Great point that I highlighted too - people are very hypocritical about that. If a lot on this forum had their way no-one outside Liverpool would be allowed into Anfield, the fact that far more money comes into the club from fans all over the Uk and the world is lost on them. If that's your attitude, go and ****in support AFC Wimbledon, they're a real 'people's club' and no-one outside there gives a **** about them so you won't have to worry about cockneys and foreigners intruding with their funny accents and not knowing all the words to the songs, or even how dare they, dream of seeing their team in their own back yard.

IMO it's a ****in great idea, no doubt inspired by the NFL game at Wembley, because look at what that did for American Football over here. Some people need to stop being so selfish and small minded, would it really hurt so much to 'share' our club with people who care just as much about it as we do? IMO a Red is a Red, some of us were just luckier to be born nearer Anfield than others. Some of you lot are like kids not wanting anyone else playing with your toys...

[alunevans]

While the idea of rewarding foreign supporters appeals to me you know the 39th game we play would be against a bigger team than ManUre or Chelski would play.They`d get Derby and Sunderland we`d get ManC.


It should be done on a super Sunday during a 38 game week when we play ManU and Arsenil play Chelski.It could be arranged to happen once a season with it alternating from home to away games each season.
I`d make it happen early in the season so if you lose you still have a chance to catch up.Aslong as the club was makig 20+mil i`d be happy.
I understand that the locals wouldn`t be happy but there are 19 home games a season in the league plus home cup games,surely you`d allow 1 home game every two seasons to be played abroad for huge financial gain,loads of new supporters that will spend for yrs to come etc.



If I was a local I`d be really pissed with the idea but we could be doing with the money and new fans.

whats the point in buying your season ticket if you end up missing the home game against arsenal, man u, or chelsea. they're the games you get your season ticket for. to be guaranteed to see them ones.

so i'm meant to pay £650 and not get to see us play man u at home? have you any idea how big a chunk my season ticket takes out of my yearly income, and yet you remove the prize game?

too ****ing right the locals would be pissed off. i'd happily burn the ****ing place down while everyone is sat in their armchairs at 4 in the morning watching us play man utd in miami.

and how fair is it for man u to get to play us at home once and at a neutral ground the other.

its ****ing ridiculous. how people are giving this any credence is beyond me when it's obvious that this is an idea that just doesn't fit the competition, and the best anyone can do is shoehorn the idea in while undermining the fairness and hence value of the league.

and then we're at the point where it's a case of why bother buying a season ticket for a league that has such little value - and for that matter why bother following it.

need the money, need new fans my arse.

what we need is to strengthen the link to the community that is so loyal to the football club, and to have a competition that is fair and meaningful.

[Fiddy]

whats the point in buying your season ticket if you end up missing the home game against arsenal, man u, or chelsea. they're the games you get your season ticket for. to be guaranteed to see them ones.

so i'm meant to pay £650 and not get to see us play man u at home? have you any idea how big a chunk my season ticket takes out of my yearly income, and yet you remove the prize game?

too ****ing right the locals would be pissed off. i'd happily burn the ****ing place down while everyone is sat in their armchairs at 4 in the morning watching us play man utd in miami.

and how fair is it for man u to get to play us at home once and at a neutral ground the other.

its ****ing ridiculous. how people are giving this any credence is beyond me when it's obvious that this is an idea that just doesn't fit the competition, and the best anyone can do is shoehorn the idea in while undermining the fairness and hence value of the league.

and then we're at the point where it's a case of why bother buying a season ticket for a league that has such little value - and for that matter why bother following it.

need the money, need new fans my arse.

what we need is to strengthen the link to the community that is so loyal to the football club, and to have a competition that is fair and meaningful.

what are you on about? as if they'd ever let that happen - it's an EXTRA game, **** me some people have really got their knickers in a twist.

And that last comment is so unbelievably naive, I don't know where to start. Why don't you start AFC Liverpool if you feel that strongly

[Johnny]

whats the point in buying your season ticket if you end up missing the home game against arsenal, man u, or chelsea. they're the games you get your season ticket for. to be guaranteed to see them ones.

so i'm meant to pay £650 and not get to see us play man u at home? have you any idea how big a chunk my season ticket takes out of my yearly income, and yet you remove the prize game?

too ****ing right the locals would be pissed off. i'd happily burn the ****ing place down while everyone is sat in their armchairs at 4 in the morning watching us play man utd in miami.

and how fair is it for man u to get to play us at home once and at a neutral ground the other.

its ****ing ridiculous. how people are giving this any credence is beyond me when it's obvious that this is an idea that just doesn't fit the competition, and the best anyone can do is shoehorn the idea in while undermining the fairness and hence value of the league.

and then we're at the point where it's a case of why bother buying a season ticket for a league that has such little value - and for that matter why bother following it.

need the money, need new fans my arse.

what we need is to strengthen the link to the community that is so loyal to the football club, and to have a competition that is fair and meaningful.

I`m not disagreeing with you.If i was a Scouser i`d be raging.

What i`m saying is we could play these games like this.


2008;ManU(H)-Liverpool(A)-New York
2009;Liverpool(H)-Arsenil(A)-Sydney
2010;Chelsea(H)-Liverpool(A)-Hong Kong
2011;Liverpool(H)-ManU(A)-Johannesburg
2012;Arsenil(H)-Liverpool(A)-Bangkok
2013Liverpool(H)-Chelsea(A)-Dublin(Almost a home game)

That would be one home game every 2 seasons,surely the foreign fans could be given one game from 50 home games?

[kanban111]

What happened to the working mans game in this country,fans don't sing because of it to a large extent,it's getting more souless by the day,football has been ruined by money,Fact

[alunevans]

what are you on about? as if they'd ever let that happen - it's an EXTRA game, **** me some people have really got their knickers in a twist.

And that last comment is so unbelievably naive, I don't know where to start. Why don't you start AFC Liverpool if you feel that strongly

an extra game that doesn't fit into the ****ing competition. or don't you give two ****s about the competition. its not ****ing hard to see whats going on. whats causing you the puzzlement?

as to your latter snotty comment, one, why the **** should i have to.

[alunevans]

I`m not disagreeing with you.If i was a Scouser i`d be raging.

What i`m saying is we could play these games like this.


2008;ManU(H)-Liverpool(A)-New York
2009;Liverpool(H)-Arsenil(A)-Sydney
2010;Chelsea(H)-Liverpool(A)-Hong Kong
2011;Liverpool(H)-ManU(A)-Johannesburg
2012;Arsenil(H)-Liverpool(A)-Bangkok
2013Liverpool(H)-Chelsea(A)-Dublin(Almost a home game)

That would be one home game every 2 seasons,surely the foreign fans could be given one game from 50 home games?

Then don't you think perhaps that something that enrages the fans who go week in week out should be ruled out on that basis alone. Or don't we matter.

And how fair are any of those league placings from 2008 right through to 2013 given that every year one of the top teams is banned from playing one of their key rivals at home?

Surely its frigging obvious that there's no solution to this contrived money grabbing ****e. It's a direct choice. Money or the integrity of the competition.

Anyone who does NOT choose the integrity of the competition is not a football fan. It's as simple as that.

[akjs123]

This idea is so stupid its unreal. For the 39th game, no team would want a draw where they are likely to drop points. So if Scum draw Derby, its not just us and Arse and Chavs being unhappy about it but Derby will be pretty furious as well.
If they decide to draw similar level teams where both teams have equal chance of favourable result, then that will be biased judgement because how do they decide that for teams outside the top 4. Who do they put everton against. portsmouth or blackburn or man city. bigger question is, who do they put derby against. derby might be 20th in the league but they are far worse than 19th or 18th placed teams so if 19th team faces them while 18th faces 17th then it will be biased in favour of 19th.
So basically all draws will never be fair.
More than that, if this system is allowed to go through, it will begin the end of english football as we know it. a lot more ridiculous money making excercises will come up and it will reach a point where football fans will say 'I dont give a **** anymore'.

[paulcooper4]

Stupid idea by stupid money motivated people. Stop ****ing about with tradition just to make more money.

If overseas clubs want to see us play in there country then ask us for a pre-season friendly.

I hate what football is turning into these days.

[Fiddy]

an extra game that doesn't fit into the ****ing competition. or don't you give two ****s about the competition. its not ****ing hard to see whats going on. whats causing you the puzzlement?

as to your latter snotty comment, one, why the **** should i have to.

Jesus, ok I'll spoon feed you it:

The 20 Premier League clubs have unanimously agreed to further examine a radical plan that would see each team playing an extra match a season abroad.



Under the proposal, matches between two Premier League sides could be staged in the world's largest cities in the Far East, Australia and the USA.


A new round of 10 competitive fixtures would be played across the world over one weekend in January, beginning in the 2010/11 season.



39 games


The idea would be to cash in on existing interest in the Premier League around the world, and the extra money generated from TV would be split equally among the 20 clubs.


The details of how the system would work have yet to be finalised but it would mean each club playing 39 games, with a draw to pick out each side's overseas match.

What difference does an extra game really make, as long as it's the same for every team?!

[alunevans]

Jesus, ok I'll spoon feed you it:



What difference does an extra game really make, as long as it's the same for every team?!

Don't patronise me with ****e. I don't need spoon feeding ****e.

If you haven't noticed the extra game is not the same for every team because someone will be drawn against Derby and someone else will get Spurs or City or Villa.

How does that make the league a fair contest anymore.

Tell me that and you might have an argument. I already understand how it'll work so you don't need to send me stupid ****ing comments and quotes from news reports.

Just explain how its fair. If you're arsed that is.

[carrsim]

whats the point in buying your season ticket if you end up missing the home game against arsenal, man u, or chelsea. they're the games you get your season ticket for. to be guaranteed to see them ones.

so i'm meant to pay £650 and not get to see us play man u at home? have you any idea how big a chunk my season ticket takes out of my yearly income, and yet you remove the prize game?

and how fair is it for man u to get to play us at home once and at a neutral ground the other.

need the money, need new fans my arse.

what we need is to strengthen the link to the community that is so loyal to the football club, and to have a competition that is fair and meaningful.

mate- you will still get to watch man u at home. this is not a replacement game. nothign is being removed

which clubs are saying "for ****s sake, why do we have to play liverpool twice'? (on current form not many but you get the idea)

we do need money- 25-30m a year thanks to the americans and the chase for a new money printing factory...sorry 70k seater stadium

do we do need new fans to fill said 70k seater stadium? yes
will they all come from liverpool? no

as for a competition that is fair and meaningful.....is this the same competition that has completely random, computerised fixtures and yet still sets up not one, but two grand slam weekends where the big four play each other every season?

a competition that has been won by 3 big spenders (utd, blackburn and chelsea) out of the four winners and has the same 3 clubs challenging every year for the last 10 years?

seriously, the premier league is a joke on so many levels and at least playing overseas allows some fans who will never have the chance to see their team will now get to. its one small oasis in a desert of money chasing greed.

do i think that justifies this idea? maybe
do i think that the premier league will use this as a reason to explain their greed? yes
is there anything that can be done? yes- hand inyour season ticket, cancel sky, stop using the offal site, don't buy merchandise. oh and get about 100,000 people to do all that with you

and finally, set up a club in the lower leagues.