Reina

[Guest]

Well he doesn't ****ing look it.

Compared to Cech, Van Der Sar etc he looks quite small.

Cech is 8 ft and Van Der Sar 8 1/2 I think.

[Vermilion]

I think you have to be a pretty good keeper to win the golden glove award two years in a row.

And too break some of our ex keepers club records, in this league.

[Nic83]

Has he won goalkeeper of the year? Or even been on the shortlist? If not why not? That golden glove award is meaningless. a clown of a keeper could pick that up playing behind a solid defensive unit.

[Roboklopp]

Nonsense

[Nic83]

Why? Back up your statement. You don't think an average keeper could rack up a lot of clean sheets if he has a wall in front of him? well he could, it's perfect sense. If Reina was as good as some think he is he'd be winning proper awards. Awards that reward him for performances rather than a collective performance. and he'd also be Spains no. 1.

[kop-al-74]

Has he won goalkeeper of the year? Or even been on the shortlist? If not why not? That golden glove award is meaningless. a clown of a keeper could pick that up playing behind a solid defensive unit.

Nonsense.

Clean sheets are better than recognition from biased journo's.

Reina is a defender aswell as a goalie.Also his distribution is the best i think i have ever seen from a keeper.Find me someone better who does what he does.

You really have to see the whole picture mate.

[Roboklopp]

Nonsense.

Clean sheets are better than recognition from biased journo's.

Reina is a defender aswell as a goalie.Also his distribution is the best i think i have ever seen from a keeper.Find me someone better who does what he does.

You really have to see the whole picture mate.

Ta.

Really couldnt be arsed to be honest.

[Nicey]

What a load of cockcustard ... This thread as with some of posters are a ****ing joke .. having a pop at Pepe ... give me a Kit kat

[Dalglish]

Why? Back up your statement. You don't think an average keeper could rack up a lot of clean sheets if he has a wall in front of him? well he could, it's perfect sense. If Reina was as good as some think he is he'd be winning proper awards. Awards that reward him for performances rather than a collective performance. and he'd also be Spains no. 1.

You sir are an arse

[Nic83]

typical of what EST is turning into. you're an arse if your opinion differs to the delusional.Well done.

Besides, I'd rather be an arse and right that a clueless psychotic.

[dww]

Neither sides of this debate are covering themselves in glory here. Could people aim to give one another a little more respect please.

I can see what you are seeing Nic but without having seen a list of the previous winners I would suggest that in general all golden gloves winners will turn out to be good keepers at top clubs. I really would be surprised to see a team whose defense was good enough to accommodate an average keeper and get more cleansheets than all other teams in the league. I think that the quality of your keeper tends to have a huge impact on how well you can defend as a team.

I'm fairly sure that there is no objective criteria which we have access to by which we can judge the quality of keepers - the two other you suggested are both subjective. The view of journalists and Luis Aragones alone. Added to that obviously possession of the first team spot as a keeper is a huge advantage displacing Cassilas for Spain is not merely about who is best but about consistency and while Casillas remains in good form then he would be favourite to be picked just due to history (I'm not in any way making a judgement of Cassilas here).

[Nic83]

Neither sides of this debate are covering themselves in glory here. Could people aim to give one another a little more respect please.

I can see what you are seeing Nic but without having seen a list of the previous winners I would suggest that in general all golden gloves winners will turn out to be good keepers at top clubs. You're right but most keepers have to be good to be at a top club in the first place, and I'm not denying he's a good keeper because he is but I just don't think he's as good as some say and I don't think the fact that he's kept so many clean sheets if proof of how good he is. I mean how many saves does he have to make on average per game? If he played for newcastle, he wouldn't be winning this award so does that then mean he'd be a poorer keeper? I really would be surprised to see a team whose defense was good enough to accommodate an average keeper and get more cleansheets than all other teams in the league. I think that the quality of your keeper tends to have a huge impact on how well you can defend as a team.

I'm fairly sure that there is no objective criteria which we have access to by which we can judge the quality of keepers - the two other you suggested are both subjective. The view of journalists and Luis Aragones alone. Don't the players vote for one of the awards? they do for outfield anyway aswellAdded to that obviously possession of the first team spot as a keeper is a huge advantage displacing Cassilas for Spain is not merely about who is best but about consistency and while Casillas remains in good form then he would be favourite to be picked just due to history (I'm not in any way making a judgement of Cassilas here).

[dww]

First point: I think you are unfairly representing other peoples point to some degree. They are saying that Reina is a good keeper for us and the fact he has even in a season when we have been up and down on form he is right in the running for an award for being part of a top defense. He would be just as good a keeper in some ways wherever he was but some keepers are better in some types of defensive set ups. It is also not necessarily fair to use and average number of saves as the best metric to judge a keeper as theoretically (in the same spirit as the average keeper clean sheet record you talked of) you can imagine that some keepers cut out chances more frequently before the shot is made than others.

So basically I think we have to accept the point that you make that he is a good keeper and that people disagree largely on the small deltas of how good exactly.

Second Point: players may well vote. Basically the point of subjective judgement remains though. How many ex-players have been seen to go and be poor managers for example - including buying poor players?

[kop-al-74]

typical of what EST is turning into. you're an arse if your opinion differs to the delusional.Well done.

Besides, I'd rather be an arse and right that a clueless psychotic.

You are an arse.You reply to the post's that are uncostructive rather than the one that offers you a counter arguement.

I asked you a valid question which has totally gone over your head or one which you have chosen to ignore.

What kind of response do you really want?

Don't blame the platform that gives you the opertunity to air YOUR views.

[kop-al-74]

Neither sides of this debate are covering themselves in glory here. Could people aim to give one another a little more respect please.

I can see what you are seeing Nic but without having seen a list of the previous winners I would suggest that in general all golden gloves winners will turn out to be good keepers at top clubs. I really would be surprised to see a team whose defense was good enough to accommodate an average keeper and get more cleansheets than all other teams in the league. I think that the quality of your keeper tends to have a huge impact on how well you can defend as a team.

I'm fairly sure that there is no objective criteria which we have access to by which we can judge the quality of keepers - the two other you suggested are both subjective. The view of journalists and Luis Aragones alone. Added to that obviously possession of the first team spot as a keeper is a huge advantage displacing Cassilas for Spain is not merely about who is best but about consistency and while Casillas remains in good form then he would be favourite to be picked just due to history (I'm not in any way making a judgement of Cassilas here).

Thats not quite the whole truth,is it.