In defence of Rafa.....gulp...

[Shaggy]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand meltdown

[Harv]

You've indirectly implied it by saying we should take into account what our previous managers have spent when stating how close we should/shouldn't be to man utd. I don't see the relevance of our spending over the whole Premiership era.

[Snigger]

This is the thing some people arent able to grasp...

Thinking he's wrong about something, is not an 'attack' thinly veiled or otherwise.

As for 'liking him', we're not in the playground anymore fella.

If i'm that much of a nusance to you, put me on ignore.

Trouble is nearly all your posts about Rafa are negative and he has nearly always done something wrong in your view so you have tainted how people perceive you posts.

As for liking him, if you don't think it's important that the fans, players and media like the manager of a club you have obviously lost touch with the spirit of the game. Look at Avram of Toad Hall - the media hate the bloke and even though he's at the top of the league and in the final of the CL many people believe he will be sacked because of the press campaign against him and very few Chelsea fans respect him just because he's not Jose who they all loved. Like and respect for a manager is important to the harmony of a club.

[kemm1]

He HAS spent as much as Man Utd. Not saying i want him out or having a go, but just correcting that point.

So you've changed your mind since January then.

Rafa did a very good job this season as is clearly the best man for the job.

[Craig_H]

everytime we lose a game, its almost a dead set cert that you will come on here and sprout some ****e that we will never challenge for the title under Rafa, that we have spent as much as Man Utd...therefore should be challenging. You say this, yet totally disregard the FACT that we had a much weaker squad than them, alot less stability, and less match winners.

Rafa has improved us. You cannot possibly deny it, and we are very close to challenging for the title. If we had of gotten results against the "big 3", we would be challenging, which proves the point.

I havent denied he's improved us.

I've always said the biggest frustration for me isnt that we dont have the necessary tools, it's the fact that the manager utilises them in a way which wont be effective when it comes to winning the title, IMO.

[NICKZS]

They've also made £40m from selling two players (off the top of my head). They got something like £6m for failures like Alan Smith and £7m for Forlan.

They spend big. They also recoup feck loads, which is why the net spend isnt far apart at all.

So it's our selling policy which is our downfall? Only very recently have we seen what Rafa is able to do with surplus talent, how we are able to properly evaluate his wheeling and dealing quality at this stage of his Liverpool career is beyond me. We are paying for mistakes made by previous managers and previous administrations, this has in turn made us unable to compete with Man U on a financial basis. The list of players posted up by Snigger shows the fact that Rafa has had nowhere near the kind of backing that Ferguson has received, combined with the massive levels of instability he has had to deal with and I don't think there is any doubt as to who has had the most resources available.

In saying that, I don't think these discussions ever prove that useful. People aren't going to change their stance and, suffice it to say, some people think Rafa is the man for the job, some people don't. It's just a matter of personal preference/opinion at the end of the day.

[Harv]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand meltdown

i swear to god i could ****ing throttle this bloke sometimes. Im sure he gets a rise out of winding people up.

But after a game like last night, im not in the mood. I was ****ing shattered.

Blaming Rafa is not on IMO, he did nothing wrong

[Craig_H]

Trouble is nearly all your posts about Rafa are negative and he has nearly always done something wrong in your view so you have tainted how people perceive you posts.

As for liking him, if you don't think it's important that the fans, players and media like the manager of a club you have obviously lost touch with the spirit of the game. Look at Avram of Toad Hall - the media hate the bloke and even though he's at the top of the league and in the final of the CL many people believe he will be sacked because of the press campaign against him and very few Chelsea fans respect him just because he's not Jose who they all loved. Like and respect for a manager is important to the harmony of a club.

Where did i say that it's not important about liking him??? This is surreal. I must be posting things that only appear on certain people's screens

My point about liking him is that saying 'oh you dont like him' sounds a bit childish. I actually do, but then i can still see the mistakes made by people i like.

[BFG]

I don't agree with DJS at all on this and it's obvious that his reputation precedes him but I do think people in the back half of this thread are being a bit oversensitive. I don't really think he's saying anything out of order even though I think he's wrong, sorry, know he's wrong.

[Craig_H]

I don't agree with DJS at all on this and it's obvious that his reputation precedes him but I do think people in the back half of this thread are being a bit oversensitive. I don't really think he's saying anything out of order even though I think he's wrong, sorry, know he's wrong.

At least you're not reading my post which says along the lines of "We should have gone for it more" and actually seeing the words "I hate Rafa"

[Snigger]

Where did i say that it's not important about liking him??? This is surreal. I must be posting things that only appear on certain people's screens

My point about liking him is that saying 'oh you dont like him' sounds a bit childish. I actually do, but then i can still see the mistakes made by people i like.

OK see your point now, I read it that liking the manager being playground stuff was it wasn't important, maybe you need to be clearer and this is all just because everyone misundertands you the whole time - however I don't agree that "like" and "dislike" are childish words - feel free to replace them with whatever "mature" words you feel convey the same meaning.

[Craig_H]

OK see your point now, I read it that liking the manager being playground stuff was it wasn't important, maybe you need to be clearer and this is all just because everyone misundertands you the whole time - however I don't agree that "like" and "dislike" are childish words - feel free to replace them with whatever "mature" words you feel convey the same meaning.

Mate, i like him as a person (as far as i know his personality). Liking him isnt the main pre-requisite though, i liked GH and Roy Evans before him but it's a results business isnt it?

I'd rather have a manager i like, but ultimately the biggest concern is what they achieve. I dont think it's radical to suggest that Rafa's done exceptionally well in the cup competitions. As far as the league goes, i think he's achieved basically the minimum we should expect to acheive, no more or less than that.

[Dalglish]

"I hate Rafa"

You said it again!

[Craig_H]

You said it again!

Like a sodding tabloid journalist, arent you?

[Manofthebog]

Mate, i like him as a person (as far as i know his personality). Liking him isnt the main pre-requisite though, i liked GH and Roy Evans before him but it's a results business isnt it?

I'd rather have a manager i like, but ultimately the biggest concern is what they achieve. I dont think it's radical to suggest that Rafa's done exceptionally well in the cup competitions. As far as the league goes, i think he's achieved basically the minimum we should expect to acheive, no more or less than that.

It's all relative, since the King, every manager has been classed as a failure by you then, as they haven't won the league.
Therefore, rafa's a failure because he's not won the league, yes?

He's achieved 3, 4 & 5th in the league, when the playing field has changed.
In the days of Souness and Evans, there was no chelsea sugar daddy, so retrospectivally, rafa's done better at punching above his weight.