Will ramadan affect momo

[kopdan]

will it affect him?

No, hasnt done before, why now

[IanTheRed]

This is from a Muslim mate in work:

It all depends if Mohammed is remotely religious. If he is, then he will no doubt keep his fasts but I just cant see how he could keep his fast and train. The last muslim athlete (I am aware of) that tried this was a heavyweight boxer and he ended up getting beaten up in the ring because he was just drained.

[Tom]

as usual some fantatsicly short sighted at best or ignorant at worst views are being displayed when it comes to the muslim faith.

momo will be fine during the most important month of the year in his spiritual life. he will continue to be boss and eat before and after the sun comes up.

it's a non issue

The question isn't being framed as an "issue" or something that is "contentious" - it was a call for people with more knowledge of the situation (muslims and nutritonists alike!) to educate me, as my understanding and experience of the area was poor.

The fact that the thread was hi-jacked by others was not my fault.

[IanTheRed]

And:

He is going to struggle big time. The fasts are longer than last years and I just cant see how he could be effective at all.

The fast opens in Leeds just after 7pm so he could re-hydrate himself but I just cant see how he could be anything but drained. Its not only the game to consider, its all the training the footballers need to do prior to a game. I cant see him training during the day. Having said that, he may have got his body use to a higher level of stress than the likes of the average muslim so he may turn out to be more effective than I could certainly imagine.

[Tom]

I obviously live in Ireland, and last Christmas a nativity crib (in a Catholic Country) was taken down to avoid offending alternate religions in a hospital. That ticked me off big time.

sorry, what the feck has that got to do with anything?

[Abdul Alhazred]

Is Momo feasting on the livers of his opponents out during Ramadan then?

[Bob]

He is going to struggle big time. The fasts are longer than last years and I just cant see how he could be effective at all.

The fast opens in Leeds just after 7pm so he could re-hydrate himself but I just cant see how he could be anything but drained. Its not only the game to consider, its all the training the footballers need to do prior to a game. I cant see him training during the day. Having said that, he may have got his body use to a higher level of stress than the likes of the average muslim so he may turn out to be more effective than I could certainly imagine.

This is my basic understanding of it as well. I thought Ramadan was the same length every year. This appears not to be the case this time though.

[Kangakop]

Isn't there an exemption for muslims when they travel more than a certain distance from home during Ramadan?

...so maybe he will only be really affected for the home games (particularly that start late in the day)??

[IanTheRed]

This is my basic understanding of it as well. I thought Ramadan was the same length every year. This appears not to be the case this time though.

It’s the same length every year (a month, their ninth I believe) Bob but the ‘length’ relates to the time between dawn and sunset.

Religious Muslims (there are Muslims who don’t observe it) can’t take any food or drink within that time, so obviously the length differs if the fasting is in December as opposed to June.

I personally think we will struggle to play Momo, could his body be re-hydrated tomorrow in 45 mins? If the fast finishes at 7 tomorrow then he’ll have 45 mins to get fluids and food before we kick off.

Any nutritionists/doctors here than can tell us if its possible and safe? I’d imagine a late evening kick off would be hell for a fasting Muslim.

This is from Wikipedia

Ramadan
Ramadan is the ninth month of Hijri (Islamic) calendar. It is considered the most venerated, blessed and holiest month. Prayers, fasting, self-accountability and charity have special association with Ramadan. The religious observances of Ramadan occur throughout the entire Islamic calendar month.

In 2006 the month of Ramadan (1427 AH) began on September 23 (Saudia, Gulf and parts of the Middle East) and September 24 elsewhere (including the rest of the Middle East). It lasts through October 23.

Importance of Ramadan for Muslims

Muslims believe that during Ramadan, the revelation of the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad began. The entire month is spent fasting from dawn to dusk. Fasting during this month is often thought to figuratively burn away all sins. Furthermore, the Prophet Muhammad told his followers that the gates of Heaven would be open all the month and the gates of Hell would be closed. The first day of the next month is spent in great celebrations and rejoicings and is observed as the ‘Festival of Breaking Fast’ or `Eid ul-Fitr. God instructs Muslims to fast just as those (other prophet's peoples) were instructed by God to fast before your time, for instance the practice of Lent.

Practices during Ramadan

There are some variations regarding the time in which Ramadan's fasting takes place for different Muslims around the world. Since the festival is linked to the lunar calendar and the new moon is not in the same state at the same time globally, it would depend on which lunar sighting that individual recognises.

Fasting

The most prominent event of this month is the fasting practiced by all observant Muslims. The fasting during Ramadan has been so predominant in defining the month that some have been led to believe the name of this month, Ramadan, is the name of Islamic fasting, when in reality the Arabic term for fasting is sawm.

Ramadan Dinner known as Iftar

Eating, drinking and smoking are not allowed between dawn (fajr), and sunset (maghrib). During Ramadan, Muslims are also expected to put more effort into following the teachings of Islam by refraining from violence, anger, envy, greed, lust, angry and sarcastic retorts, and gossip. Sexual intercourse during fasting in the day is not allowed but is permissable at night (extramarital sexual intercourse is not allowed in Islam at all). People are meant to try to get along with each other better than they normally would. All obscene and irreligious sights and sounds are to be avoided. Purity of both thought and action is important. The fast is an exacting act of deep personal worship in which Muslims seek a raised level of closeness to God. The act of fasting is said to redirect the heart away from worldly activities, its purpose being to cleanse the inner soul and free it from harm. Properly observing the fast brings on a comfortable feeling of peace and calm.

Fasting during Ramadan is not obligatory for several groups for whom it would be excessively problematic. Children before the onset of puberty are not required to fast, though some do. However, if puberty is later than is normally expected, fasting becomes obligatory for males and females after a certain age. According to the Qur'an, if fasting would be dangerous to someone's health, such as a person with an illness or medical condition (this can include the elderly), that person is excused. For example, diabetics and nursing or pregnant women are not usually expected to fast; but they are encouraged to feed a needy person instead. According to hadith, observing the Ramadan fast is not allowed during menstruation period for women; still they (women) must make up these days they didn't fast during their menstruation period.

Other individuals for whom it is usually considered acceptable not to fast are those in battle and travelers who intend to spend fewer than ten days away from home. If one's condition preventing fasting is only temporary, one is required to make up for the days missed after the month of Ramadan is over and before the next Ramadan arrives. If one's condition is permanent or present for an extended period of time, one may make up for the fast by feeding a needy person for every day missed.

If one who does not fit into one of the exempt categories breaks the fast out of forgetfulness, the fast is still valid. If, however, one intentionally breaks the fast, that individual must continue fasting for the remainder of the day but then make up for the entire day later in addition to a "penalty" (kaffara) which can be in one of three forms: fasting for 60 consecutive days[citation needed], feeding 60 people in need, or freeing a slave (the practice of freeing slaves is obviously outdated). If one breaks the fast through consensual sexual intercourse, the transgressor must make up for the day lost while also choosing one of the above penalities.

[Bob]

I need more enlightenment; should get my Muslim buddy on here as he's a LFC fan as well. But as i understand it - i still think it will be very difficult for momo to play - particularly for the midday games!

[IanTheRed]

I need more enlightenment; should get my Muslim buddy on here as he's a LFC fan as well. But as i understand it - i still think it will be very difficult for momo to play - particularly for the midday games!

I'd expect the midday games to be easier than the evening ones due to the relatively recent intake of food and drink.

I like this bit:

During Ramadan, Muslims are also expected to put more effort into following the teachings of Islam by refraining from violence, anger, envy, greed, lust, angry and sarcastic retorts, and gossip.

The guy I sit next to is a sarky *******, Man U fan too! No wonder he is less sarcastic now...I'm off to wind him up....

[Guest]

I remember El Hadji Diouf having no problems playing when in Ramadan.

[5aq1b]

well i'm fasting at the moment. Can't eat/drink/smoke (lots of other things also but we'll stick to the main ones) from sun rise (which is around 5am) to sun set (7pm). Varies by a few mins here and there depending where you are in the country but it is defo not 6/7am.

[Maestro]

He also had views on eugenics which would have made hitler blush.

...or Matt Biscan, for that matter.

[G_Man]

The human body is designed for a "feast and fast" lifestyle. As hunter gatherers we will have had to live off berries and fruit for days, followed by feasting on a sabre-toothed tiger(so to speak). Momo will have and will have had nutrtionalists advising him for many years, as will all other Muslim atheltes.
If he follows their advice, he will have no problem at all.