Boro (h) Post match thread

[Rigadon]

FA Carling Premiership 1996/97
Pos Team P W D L F A W D L F A Pts
1 Manchester United 38 12 5 2 38 17 9 7 3 38 27 75
2 Newcastle United 38 13 3 3 54 20 6 8 5 19 20 68
3 Arsenal 38 10 5 4 36 18 9 6 4 26 14 68
4 Liverpool 38 10 6 3 38 19 9 5 5 24 18 68

Fourth place under Evans was considered a failure. Fourth place under Rafa was/is considered a success. The biggest difference between the Evans era and today is that we’ve gone from expecting to win the league to accepting a top four finish.

[Rigadon]

Yeah I think Evans spending was typical of that of the teams in the top half of the table.

I always think Roy Evans gets alot of unfair critisism, I mean he did well to turn the team around so quickly from where it was under Souness.

[Laz]

Yet again a thread goes back to "NET Spend". I'll mention it again as you like your stats so much Rashid, Rafa so far has spent an average of £4,676 more on each player than Houllier. And that's without making any allowance for inflation and the way values have gone up since the new TV money has come in. Think about the players both Houllier and Rafa have bought and then tell me he hasn't spent well.

And for some of the other points made above; all Roy Evans won was the League cup and Souness the FA Cup. Like them or not, they both made some good buys and the shape of the squad on Houllier's arrival was much better than when he left.

[Woobus]

Rafa has never had it so good, no manager in the PL over the past 2 years (since the "Muppets" have been in) or any manager in LFC history (taking into account inflation and state of the market) has been backed with as much money as Rafa has given the position of the club (we are no longer number 1 with the best revenues in England).

Surely thats down to the fact of how much money he has brought into the club from being the best team in Europe since he took over?

[RedReet]

Fourth place under Evans was considered a failure. Fourth place under Rafa was/is considered a success. The biggest difference between the Evans era and today is that we’ve gone from expecting to win the league to accepting a top four finish.

Don’t be stupid.
No one considers 4th place as success, but anyone with a bit of wit knows it’s the minimum we must aim for to guarantee CL revenue. 4th place is a hell of a lot more lucrative now than it was ten years ago.

[Rashid]

Don’t be stupid.
No one considers 4th place as success, but anyone with a bit of wit knows it’s the minimum we must aim for to guarantee CL revenue. 4th place is a hell of a lot more lucrative now than it was ten years ago.

As the lad said we expected a title challenge back then despite Evans spending net £6m a season at a time when Newcastle were spending £22m on two strikers, we don't expect a title challenge now as poor Rafa doesn't get any money. FACT.

[rage]

As the lad said we expected a title challenge back then despite Evans spending net £6m a season at a time when Newcastle were spending £22m on two strikers, we don't expect a title challenge now as poor Rafa doesn't get any money. FACT.

yes poor rafa indeed, the more time passes the more he appears to behave as a spoiled child. - if i can't have this i'm going to tell dad -

rafa has been the most backed manager in liverpool history and still we're playing hoof ball.

[RedReet]

As the lad said we expected a title challenge back then despite Evans spending net £6m a season at a time when Newcastle were spending £22m on two strikers, we don't expect a title challenge now as poor Rafa doesn't get any money. FACT.

Of course we expect a title challenge now, don’t be so dramatic.
From reading your other posts it’s not worthwhile me elaborating, but any fool can see Rafa has a completely different challenge in today’s game, than Evan’s had ten years ago, and so far has did a great job.

[RedReet]

yes poor rafa indeed, the more time passes the more he appears to behave as a spoiled child. - if i can't have this i'm going to tell dad -

rafa has been the most backed manager in liverpool history and still we're playing hoof ball.

Although I don’t have the books in front of me, just like you don’t have a clue about how much every other manager has been backed, I’m willing to bet the last few years under Rafa has been the most lucrative in the clubs history, hence he deserves to spend more.

[Woobus]

As the lad said we expected a title challenge back then despite Evans spending net £6m a season at a time when Newcastle were spending £22m on two strikers, we don't expect a title challenge now as poor Rafa doesn't get any money. FACT.

You started of like an real moaner then after several people said that they hated your style of posting you calmed down for about a week. Its a real pity you have returned to your normal self as you drag everybody else down with you.
You just seem to moan about the same things in every thread which then makes every thread the same as the last. No wonder you were banned from your last site as its really started to wear me down. Its a pity cause you do make some good arguments but unfortunately its always the same points.

[rage]

Although I don’t have the books in front of me, just like you don’t have a clue about how much every other manager has been backed, I’m willing to bet the last few years under Rafa has been the most lucrative in the clubs history, hence he deserves to spend more.

thats easy b4 rafa our record signing was cisse. since rafa arrived we've clearly spent more money than under any other manager in our history

oh and i think i measure lucrative in a different way than you.

[Laz]

Although I don’t have the books in front of me, just like you don’t have a clue about how much every other manager has been backed, I’m willing to bet the last few years under Rafa has been the most lucrative in the clubs history, hence he deserves to spend more.

Not sure of the exact earnings for each year but found these as examples of the increase in a short period. Good enough for a comparison.

Earnings of Premier League clubs in 2005/06 (prize money and TV cash but not gate receipts or merchandise income).

Arsenal £52.7m
Chelsea £47.5m
Liverpool £44.2m
Man Utd £39.8m
Tottenham £26.2m
West Ham £24.4m
Middlesbrough £24.3m
Newcastle £24.0m
Bolton £23.7m
Blackburn £23.6m
Wigan £22.9m
Everton £22.4m
Charlton £21.0m
Man City £20.6m
Fulham £20.3m
Aston Villa £19.6m
Birmingham £19.4m
Portsmouth £18.0m
West Brom £16.9m
Sunderland £16.1m

And this is all I found for last season;

Sir Alex Ferguson's side earned £78million in television cash and prize money over the season, £50million more than bottom side Derby.

The equivalent figure last season, under the previous broadcast deals, was £40million - and it was just £30million in the 2005/06 season when earnings from the Champions League were not so high.

However, in percentage terms the smaller clubs have done better than the bigger ones.

United's income rose 25% compared to last season, while Derby earned £28.2million, a 56.5% increase on the £18million earned by Watford a year ago.

[RedReet]

thats easy b4 rafa our record signing was cisse. since rafa arrived we've clearly spent more money than under any other manager in our history

oh and i think i measure lucrative in a different way than you.

Of course we have. And the next manager will probably spend even more than Rafa and break our transfer record again.

It’s hardly a great secret that average players are extortionately priced in today’s market, and most quality players are out of our price range. That’s the way it is, it’s hardly Rafa’s fault. Roy Evans probably could have bought Peter Crouch for about £1.5m and Shankly could for three black jacks and a woppa.

[rage]

the increase in revenue you show was relative for all footballing teams. this took place inspite of rafa not because of it.

[RedReet]

And as a result player prices went up, this took place in spite of Rafa, not because of it.