Rafa Discussion Thread

[El Jefecito]

It has been discussed before that is was his assistant that really set the template for success.

Perhaps the same can be said for Paco?

Pako, was a fitness coach. Even if do you see Rafa as the type that would let anyone tell him what to do.

[EwarWoo]

No one man is bigger than the club though and for what it's worth, it wouldnt break my heart to see him win us the title.

I see supporting us as far more than looking to win titles. Sure, we all want that, but I think using Mourinho is a step too far.

I'd rather support an unsuccessful Liverpool than a successful Chelsea 2.

[friedk]

But we're still not comparing like for like.
Let's see him do it in the PL with a team that's 30 points off the pace, barely given the money to keep up with the big boys and a **** exec meaning he hardly ever get's his transfer targets.

Put another way, Portsmouth finished 30 points off the top of the table last season. Considering the amounts they have been spending, if they had Mourinho or Rijkaard as manager, when would it be realistic to expect them to mount a title challenge.

[barnes10]

How long does it take Fabio Capello to win league titles wherever he goes? We have historically been soft at board level under Moores - there is not a chance in hell any big club (apart from us) would allow 5 years each to pass on successive managers to mount a title challenge.

m a n c h e s t e r u n i t e d

[Rashid]

That was 25 years ago. Not today. And it was a one off not the norm. Do you think Fergie's replacement will get 5 years to challenge?

As for the "poor skint Rafa" arguments do you guys not read the posts on here? He is the league's 2nd biggest spender in his 4 years and the biggest these past 2 years. Wake up and open your eyes.

[Elvoz]

That was 25 years ago. Not today. And it was a one off not the norm. Do you think Fergie's replacement will get 5 years to challenge?

As for the "poor skint Rafa" arguments do you guys not read the posts on here? He is the league's 2nd biggest spender in his 4 years and the biggest these past 2 years. Wake up and open your eyes.

you make some good points mate but tbh as has been said there is a clear divide
those who can see no wrong in rafa and those who can.
it doesnt mean just because he badly ****s things up that everyone wants him out
i find it a bit pathetic how some say oh but he is a top manager and knows more than us - thats bollocks he makes mistakes like anyone dont bury your heads

i must admit to becoming a bit disillusioned at the moment but i will support
the club like i always have and will

and there are definate similarities with the things rafa says to that of the final days of GH

i ve said it before wait until rafa starts talking about how many corners we,ve had


anyway lets **** the scum and talk about that some more

[Pacman]

Have to say, i wouldnt say no to Mourinho if or when Rafa goes. I dislike some things about him, but i just cant imagine him failing.

If he ever became manager of Liverpool Football Club I would stop supporting the club. I am desperate for us to win the league but not at all costs and Mourinho IMO goes against everything Liverpool stand for. What he said when Cech's head got caved in about the Reading ambulance service was so disgusting it was untrue.

How many other managers such as Rijkaard and Keegan (sorry Sarb mate but ) would have stuck around with Pinky and Perky at the helm? Answer is not ****ing many. We are a shambles behind the scenes and stability is what we need.

I couldn't give a flying **** what Scum, Chav or Arsenal fans think - honestly who really gives a ****?

[Pacman]

you make some good points mate but tbh as has been said there is a clear divide
those who can see no wrong in rafa and those who can.
it doesnt mean just because he badly ****s things up that everyone wants him out
i find it a bit pathetic how some say oh but he is a top manager and knows more than us - thats bollocks he makes mistakes like anyone dont bury your heads

i must admit to becoming a bit disillusioned at the moment but i will support
the club like i always have and will

and there are definate similarities with the things rafa says to that of the final days of GH

i ve said it before wait until rafa starts talking about how many corners we,ve had


anyway lets **** the scum and talk about that some more

You say people who think Rafa can do know wrong I would say the flip side is certain posters on here are part of the Rafa can do know right brigade.

[Elvoz]

You say people who think Rafa can do know wrong I would say the flip side is certain posters on here are part of the Rafa can do know right brigade.

i would agree

i am not one o them mind

[Elvoz]

If he ever became manager of Liverpool Football Club I would stop supporting the club. I am desperate for us to win the league but not at all costs and Mourinho IMO goes against everything Liverpool stand for. What he said when Cech's head got caved in about the Reading ambulance service was so disgusting it was untrue.

How many other managers such as Rijkaard and Keegan (sorry Sarb mate but ) would have stuck around with Pinky and Perky at the helm? Answer is not ****ing many. We are a shambles behind the scenes and stability is what we need.

I couldn't give a flying **** what Scum, Chav or Arsenal fans think - honestly who really gives a ****?

sorry a poor shout - but your entitled to your opinion
in fact an amazing statement

[Pacman]

i would agree

i am not one o them mind

I wouldn't say you were one of them fella.

I can understand people frustrations about Rafa but I know for a fact scum fans get wound up by Fergie, Arsenal fans get wound up with Wenger and Chav fans got wound up with Jose Cuntyflaps.

[Skillz]

That was 25 years ago. Not today. And it was a one off not the norm. Do you think Fergie's replacement will get 5 years to challenge?

As for the "poor skint Rafa" arguments do you guys not read the posts on here? He is the league's 2nd biggest spender in his 4 years and the biggest these past 2 years. Wake up and open your eyes.

Have you updated that since Berbatov signed? In other words can you provide the list of ins/outs incl prices. Just sick of hearing you bleat it out endlessly.

Thanks in advance.

[Pacman]

sorry a poor shout - but your entitled to your opinion
in fact an amazing statement

I know lots of fans who feel the same way.

[barnes10]

That was 25 years ago. Not today. And it was a one off not the norm. Do you think Fergie's replacement will get 5 years to challenge?

As for the "poor skint Rafa" arguments do you guys not read the posts on here? He is the league's 2nd biggest spender in his 4 years and the biggest these past 2 years. Wake up and open your eyes.

probably not no. but its not like rafa inherited a squad like fergies is it. thats the crucial difference.

if fergie leaves his successor a squad like GH left then i expect the incoming manager to say he needs loads of money or more time.

'this squad is terrible and it needs gutting. my plan is to build up the youth so we can get some bargains like arsene as well as first team squads but this is all going to take time to come to fruition depending on the level of money available for me to gut it. more money, the quicker i can act. i will do it.

it in in the meantime, with a minimum of 4th place in the league, runs in the champions league is our best bet of earning money and enhancing the clubs profile as its a knock out and on our day, with the first teamers fit, we can beat anyone. as we know, its the strength-in-depth of the squad that really counts for the premier league so unless we can spend chelsea like sums to revamp the 15 or so players at once as well as paying for top youth then unfortunately that will come later. we will get progressively closer but to win it, will not be an instant fix, we might have a great season with injuries and form whilst our rivals stutter but realistically, we can't count on that.

measure my progress each year but look for a real jump forward after x (3)years. This is about revamping the whole club not just the first team'

this is lfc's story and why, even now, the 5 year plan is not dead. if you're a club that needs upgrading and you want the whole club to be upgraded and not just do a blackburnm, then you have to give the manager **** loads of money. if you can't do that, you have to give him more time as long as he's making progress.

don't forget that our league has gone from being 2nd behind spain to massively the best league in europe during his tenure. so the goalposts are shifting and again, it boils down to money doesnt it.

[Pacman]

probably not no. but its not like rafa inherited a squad like fergies is it. thats the crucial difference.

if fergie leaves his successor a squad like GH left then i expect the incoming manager to say he needs loads of money or more time.

'this squad is terrible and it needs gutting. my plan is to build up the youth so we can get some bargains like arsene as well as first team squads but this is all going to take time to come to fruition depending on the level of money available for me to gut it. more money, the quicker i can act. i will do it.

it in in the meantime, with a minimum of 4th place in the league, runs in the champions league is our best bet of earning money and enhancing the clubs profile as its a knock out and on our day, with the first teamers fit, we can beat anyone. as we know, its the strength-in-depth of the squad that really counts for the premier league so unless we can spend chelsea like sums to revamp the 15 or so players at once as well as paying for top youth then unfortunately that will come later. we will get progressively closer but to win it, will not be an instant fix, we might have a great season with injuries and form whilst our rivals stutter but realistically, we can't count on that.

measure my progress each year but look for a real jump forward after x (3)years. This is about revamping the whole club not just the first team'

this is lfc's story and why, even now, the 5 year plan is not dead. if you're a club that needs upgrading and you want the whole club to be upgraded and not just do a blackburnm, then you have to give the manager **** loads of money. if you can't do that, you have to give him more time as long as he's making progress.

don't forget that our league has gone from being 2nd behind spain to massively the best league in europe during his tenure. so the goalposts are shifting and again, it boils down to money doesnt it.