Rafa Discussion Thread

[EwarWoo]

I have outlined the Net Spend figures many times. Look for it under search.

Its time people looked at the facts. He has spent **** loads, been here 4 years and the team can't string 4 passes together.

Despite their "****ness" Rafa has won more with the players Houllier had than with the ones he has spent £200m on.

We are a charitable bunch. No other big club would accept this type of football, this much money spent and nothing to show for it in 2 years.

You can't argue with facts.

And I've outlined it a few times in this thread. The only team above who as spent a sizable amount less is Arsenal. Chavs have spent considerably more than Rafa, Mancs have spent only around 1.6m less a year with a 30 point lead, and the rest of the league we're above so any overspend is working.

You can't argue with facts, but you can argue with stilted one sided facts out of context used purely to beat a dead argument.

In essence you're speaking the truth, but overall you're talking bollocks.

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[QUOTE=EwarWoo;1153708]And I've outlined it a few times in this thread. The only team above who as spent a sizable amount less is Arsenal. Chavs have spent considerably more than Rafa, Mancs have spent only around 1.6m less a year with a 30 point lead, and the rest of the league we're above so any overspend is working.

You can't argue with facts, but you can argue with stilted one sided facts out of context used purely to beat a dead argument.

In essence you're speaking the truth, but overall you're talking bollocks.[/QUOTE]

genius line

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How about this...

Benayoun £5m
Babel £11.5m
Torres £20m
Mascherano £17m
Leto £1.8m
Insua £1.3m
Itandje £2m
Skrtel £6m

All in the same year?

How many times does it have to be explained to people?

so whats yr point? for the first time Rafa has spent a lot in a year. 60million there and for that he got 2 world class player, 1 player with huge potential a playmaker and a rock in the centre of defence with a few other prospects thrown in.......how else could you spend that better?

still only bought 2 players over 15million, how many have the mancs bought? 8 or 9? how many chelsea got?

[El Jefecito]

Alternatively you could just do it yourself and stop trying to be a pied piper.

Hey Homophobe, tell me about putting you on ignore and TLW.

[Johnny]

Alternatively you could just do it yourself and stop trying to be a pied piper.

You have single handedly ruined this site with your Anti-Rafa agenda.You ignore all posts proving you wrong so I think everyone should ignore you.
Really,you should checkout 6CM,it`s full of eijitts who would join the "Rashid is a celebrity" gang.
I for one am sick off your never ending bleating about Rafa.Do us a favour and feck off to another site and leave this great site to those that enjoy reasoned debate.
Please jog on mate.

[Rashid]

I have no issue with shutting up, but what a sad state of affairs where anyone with an anti-Rafa viewpoint is not allowed on a site - is this a pro Rafa old boys club? How sad.

[Harv]

I have no issue with shutting up, but what a sad state of affairs where anyone with an anti-Rafa viewpoint is not allowed on a site - is this a pro Rafa old boys club? How sad.

cry me a river

Its not the fact that you have a negative view point, its the fact that you bring this negative view into every thread. Which is a point you continue to ignore.

Personally i couldnt give a **** what you think about Rafa. He has done both wrong and right in his time here, but you continually overlook the good points, and fail to reply to facts put to you proving you wrong.....thats what pisses people off!

[EwarWoo]

I have no issue with shutting up, but what a sad state of affairs where anyone with an anti-Rafa viewpoint is not allowed on a site - is this a pro Rafa old boys club? How sad.

I can only speak for myself but I have no issues with people pointing out Rafa's negatives.
Hell, I'll give my Rafa negatives, he stubbord as a mule and overthinks things leading to some tactical blunders. There, a couple for you. I can see his weaknesses.
Just when people start pointing out negatives which are simply not true it strikes me as not something a supporter would do, in fact quite the opposite. We usually cop that crap for scum and chav's, not our own.

[Rashid]

Why is this "every thread" thing trotted out? It's only on this thread we have been talking, or on other Rafa threads.

[Scratch]

Why is this "every thread" thing trotted out? It's only on this thread we have been talking, or on other Rafa threads.

Lol, that's rich...wasn't there some thread about Liverpool women?? Or the Pennant thread? The Barry thread? And then finally one of the mods had a quiet word...about 3 weeks to late...and now you're finally sticking to one thread...but still ignoring any facts that people put before you, waiting til it fades from memeory, then spouting the same **** again.

[Johnny]

I have no issue with shutting up, but what a sad state of affairs where anyone with an anti-Rafa viewpoint is not allowed on a site - is this a pro Rafa old boys club? How sad.

No it`s not a pro Rafa site.It`s the sheer volume of post`s all saying exactly the same thing that gets my goat.Your like a broken record.

[Rashid]

Hold on.

What is it to be? Either I answer all the posts aimed at me which will increase volume and make me sound repetitive or I keep to what I do now and then get accused of ignoring people.

The issue really isn't about me. The problem is people are finding it difficult to accept that Rafa plays dull football, that he has spent a lot of money on a par with most big European teams, he hasn't won anything since building his "own" squad and finally in his 5th season it's time to deliver.

That's must be hard for those worshipping at the church of Rafa.

[Johnny]

Hold on.

What is it to be? Either I answer all the posts aimed at me which will increase volume and make me sound repetitive or I keep to what I do now and then get accused of ignoring people.

The issue really isn't about me. The problem is people are finding it difficult to accept that Rafa plays dull football, that he has spent a lot of money on a par with most big European teams, he hasn't won anything since building his "own" squad and finally in his 5th season it's time to deliver.

That's must be hard for those worshipping at the church of Rafa.

But you do ignore people.Youv`e continually ignored posts pointing out that Rafa started so far behind ManU who had a settled championship winning team while Rafa has had to overhaul the complete 30 man squad except SG Carra and Hyypia.

And then you finish with another boring repetitive line we`ve all heard a thousand times from you.


WE GET IT.




The issue really is about you ignoring the facts and endlessly reapeating "Alehouse football","Geds duds" and "Net spend".

Your boring the tits off us with repetitive anti-Rafa posts.

[donpisci]

Sorry, it was from YNWA, and i have shamelessly stolen it...

This was the 34 man squad when Rafa took over at Liverpool FC

Keepers
Dudek
Kirkland
Luzi
Harrison

Defenders
Finnan
Carragher
Hyypia
Riise
Henchoz
Otsemobor
Whitbread
Traore
Vignal
Babbel
Warnock

Midfielders
Cheyrou
Diao
Biscan
Gerrard
Hamman
Kewell
Murphy
Le Tallec
Diarra
Partridge
Potter
Smicer
Welsh

Strikers
Baros
Diouf
Mellor
Owen
Pongolle
Cisse

In his 4 seasons so far, his approx net spend has been as follows (source LFChistory.net):

2004/05 - £16mill (if we had decided to keep Owen and lost him on a bosman next season then the budget would be reduced to £8mill, and we would have had an unhappy player on our hands)
2005/06 – £13mill
2006/07 - £14mill
2007/08 - £38mill
2008/09 - £18mill

So far, his total net spend since taking over is approx £99mill on transfer fees, and his current 34 man squad looks like this (3 original players from first season, the est brought in by Rafa):

Keepers
Reina
Cavalieri
Itandje
Martin

Defenders
Carragher
Hyypia
Degen
Arbeloa
Dossena
Aurelio
Insua
Darby
Skrtel
Agger
Hobbs

Midfielders
Gerrard
Mascherano
Alonso
Lucas
Pennant
Riera
Benayoun
Plessis
El Zhar
Spearing
Leto

Strikers
Torres
Keane
Babel
Kuyt
Ngog
Nemeth
Voronin
Pacheco

Why is it that the only posts you ignore are the ones that blow your bull**** 'facts' out of the water? Like the one I've quoted.

[Scratch]

Hold on.

What is it to be? Either I answer all the posts aimed at me which will increase volume and make me sound repetitive or I keep to what I do now and then get accused of ignoring people.

Or you **** off to another site, where they'd be happy to listen to you saying the same things over and over again, even when challenged with other points that disprove your inane ramblings as that of either a wind-up or just a tosser...i'm undecided on that score...