My mind is changed, how about yours....

[bobbyfallon]

This kind of thread makes me laugh. He's been a donkey for well over a year and we could achieved so much more had he not been in the team. All of a sudden he has half a dozen decent (not amazing) games and everyone think's he's priceless!!!

The words fair and weather have never been more appropriate.

i am by no means a fan of kuyt - a striker he is not.

but in all fairness in his defense he has been good for more than a dozen games now. id even go as far to say he has been good for nearly a year

[carheex]

In 1999-00, most of our rival's fans, and many of our own, were saying this sort of thing about one James Lee Duncan Carragher.

It's early days yet, but those fans were also questioning our purchase of Reira.

Ray Kennedy - told by Port Vale manager Stanley Matthews as a 16 year old that he wasn't going to make it as a professional footballer. Played as a striker at Arsenal, and signed by Shanks as such, but Paisley turned him into an attacking midfielder, and he went from strength to strength.

I'm glad that this sort of criteria (what our rivals would do) is not what Liverpool manager's worry about

Hmmmm, so even though we're attempting to compete for the premier league title this year, you're saying that we should stick any old player in the team just in case he becomes good eventually!? Cracking advice there boyo!

[carheex]

Can you please quantify your comment of how we could have "achieved so much more had he not been in the team"? I'd be particularly interested in your thoughts as to how we would have progressed in the CL without him.

No. I'm busy.

[BFG]

Hmmmm, so even though we're attempting to compete for the premier league title this year, you're saying that we should stick any old player in the team just in case he becomes good eventually!? Cracking advice there boyo!

No he's saying that good managers often see qualities in a player that armchair fans like yourself don't and that in the long run these qualities can be an important part of a successful side. Boyo

[Laz]

This kind of thread makes me laugh. He's been a donkey for well over a year and we could achieved so much more had he not been in the team. All of a sudden he has half a dozen decent (not amazing) games and everyone think's he's priceless!!!

The words fair and weather have never been more appropriate.

Rather subjective to say the least. It could also be equally valid to say that we would not be in as good a position as we are now if he wasn't in the team.

Both points are a matter of opinion and both equally unprovable but the way you and Rashid have dismissed the opinions of all the Liverpool fans that are supporting Kuyt in this thread is both patronising and derogatory.

Voice your opinion by all means but back it up with fair reasoning rather than slurs and insults.

[Tee]

No he's saying that good managers often see qualities in a player that armchair fans like yourself don't and that in the long run these qualities can be an important part of a successful side. Boyo

[RedReet]

Couldn’t be arsed replying to specific posts, (and some of them really are ridiculous) but who are these ‘genuine right wingers’ that so many people think would be a great improvement on Kuyt?

[BG1973]

too hard to judge this now.

Last season there were extenuating circumstances for his form, i.e his father passing away. This season he seems to have started better although he does have major lapses, i.e the howler he missed before city took the lead.

Don't want to say yes now and then no at the end of the season.

My gut feeling is 15 million and I would sell.

[BFG]

too hard to judge this now.

Last season there were extenuating circumstances for his form, i.e his father passing away. This season he seems to have started better although he does have major lapses, i.e the howler he missed before city took the lead.

Don't want to say yes now and then no at the end of the season.

My gut feeling is 15 million and I would sell.

I know what you're saying mate but Torres missed just as good a chance in that game for his hat trick and afterwards the only thing anyone mentions is his two goals. Kuyt scored the winner and people mention the earlier miss just as much as his goal.

I'm not saying he's in the class of Torres, just that people tend to dwell more on negative aspects of Kuyt's performances more than they do with other players.

[dww]

You have to be the most sensible person I've ever come across.It seems to be to an impossibilty for you to talk ****e about anything,ever.Bravo>

I hereby start a campaign for you to be given the "Mr Sensible" tag.

MrM, make it happen,(or dww you can do it yourself)

Very kind of you to say. Although I suspect it mostly proves you haven't actually met me

Now, now, let's not be hasty. Yes, dww is one of the best posters on here, a man of undoubted reason and sensibility, but let's not forget that he also said that dispensing with Alonso and replacing him with Barry would have been the right move. Now in my book that kind of treachery deserves nothing less than a...

That debate could run and run

[RedReet]

This kind of thread makes me laugh. He's been a donkey for well over a year and we could achieved so much more had he not been in the team. All of a sudden he has half a dozen decent (not amazing) games and everyone think's he's priceless!!!

The words fair and weather have never been more appropriate.

Carheex on Xabi Alonso 2007...

''If he calls you back, tell him i'm really pleased he's started playing well again. it's about time, even though one decent game doesn't represent a turn around, nor does it make up for the last 18 months of playing well below his standard. talk about knee jerk.... ''

Do I see a pattern here?

[carheex]

Carheex on Xabi Alonso 2007...

''If he calls you back, tell him i'm really pleased he's started playing well again. it's about time, even though one decent game doesn't represent a turn around, nor does it make up for the last 18 months of playing well below his standard. talk about knee jerk.... ''

Do I see a pattern here?

Well spotted Mr Stalker - there IS a pattern - a pattern of consitency in my opinions which shows that I don't change my mind based on a tiny purple patch of form. What exactly was your point?

[RedReet]

Sorry, ridiculous posts stick in my mind and some of the crap you posed about Xabi last year was embarrassing. Now you seemed to have moved onto Kuyt.

You don’t seem to take circumstances into consideration or appreciate what a player brings to the team unless he gets man of the match on MOTD.

Like with Xabi, when people explained what he brought to the team and what he was capable of, you dismissed it claiming they were only basing it on a few games. It didn’t matter that he was struggling with fitness in the games he didn’t play to his best, you wanted rid regardless.

I now see a similar pattern with Kuyt.

[carheex]

Sorry, ridiculous posts stick in my mind and some of the crap you posed about Xabi last year was embarrassing. Now you seemed to have moved onto Kuyt.

You don’t seem to take circumstances into consideration or appreciate what a player brings to the team unless he gets man of the match on MOTD.

Like with Xabi, when people explained what he brought to the team and what he was capable of, you dismissed it claiming they were only basing it on a few games. It didn’t matter that he was struggling with fitness in the games he didn’t play to his best, you wanted rid regardless.

I now see a similar pattern with Kuyt.

So you copied and pasted from "your mind" did you?

I stick by everything I said - Kuyt HAS had a few decent games recently and so has Xabi but over the last 18 months on the whole, both of them have seriously underperformed...in my opinion (not MOTD's!).

In Xabi's first season he was excellent but hasn't even shown a glimpse of that since. A good start to this season has done nothing to change my mind that he isn't suited to the Premiership, and it doesn't wipe out his poor performances for the last 18 months.

The fickle fans on here forget very quickly in light of the odd spectacular goal, and seem to accept sub standard performances as long as they say the right things in interviews. I'm not so easily fooled and if that's a problem then I apologise.

Kuyt was bought as a striker (20 goals and 20 assists according to him and Rafa if I remember correctly) and despite getting some important goals, that does not disguise the fact that his lack of composure in the last 3rd of the field means he has underachieved and failed to hit his target continuosly. Sticking him on the right wing might work for a short while but his lack of pace and skill means he'll be found out in no time. A quality striker or a right winger he ain't! We've already had one multi-million pound striker that we stuck on the wing because he couldn't cut the mustard - and he now plays more at his level which is where I'd like to see Kuyt.

I'm not saying that either of them are totally useless - I just think that we should have better players in their positions.

[cled the red]

So you copied and pasted from "your mind" did you?

I stick by everything I said - Kuyt HAS had a few decent games recently and so has Xabi but over the last 18 months on the whole, both of them have seriously underperformed...in my opinion (not MOTD's!).

In Xabi's first season he was excellent but hasn't even shown a glimpse of that since. A good start to this season has done nothing to change my mind that he isn't suited to the Premiership, and it doesn't wipe out his poor performances for the last 18 months.

The fickle fans on here forget very quickly in light of the odd spectacular goal and seem to allow players to get away with anything as long as they say the right things in interviews. I'm not so easily fooled and if that's a problem then I apologise.

Kuyt was bought as a striker (20 goals and 20 assists according to him and Rafa if I remember correctly) and despite getting some important goals, that does not disguise the fact that his lack of composure in the last 3rd of the field means he has underachieved and failed to hit his target continuosly. Sticking him on the right wing might work for a short while but his lack of pace and skill means he'll be found out in no time. A quality striker or a right winger he ain't!

I'm not saying that either of them are totally useless - I just think that we should have better players in their positions.

It was Martin Jol who said this, calling him a 20/20 player.